- I was a mite bit rusty

- yeah, that was some quality action swarm work between you and aneristic and the team at large there

- How important is it to identify the people who are not yet tagged? I think it might be pretty important

- those could be international POCs and community leaders for all we know

- erwin.van.rijsewijk

- wait, this guy

- [[Webpage]]plus.google.com/+WaltervanRijswijk

- ok, spelling mismatch

- Maybe that is a way to release the information. Ask for crowdsource help identifying the a/o of these agents identified cheating.

- probably not the same guy

- oh that would be hilarious :)

- That would certainly engage readers if they are asked to participate.

- I dont think we need to encourage people to read the whole list

- they're gonna do the same thing we did

- it would just be a really funny way to release the information

- There will be agents like me who don't recognize all the local names. Asking the swarm to fill in the a/o will let everyone in the area know who to shame.

- so far, I'm still liking a carefully formatted, easily consumable information package published on a one-page website coupled with an anonymous Reddit initial release, followed by staged g+ releases

- but I'm listening for better ideas

- Ask for input on the website, and then update the list daily with the new information to keep people checking back?

- website needs to be completely non-interactive. It's just informational

- It's been mentioned that we get a trolly domain name. Won't they be able to do a lookup and see who registered it?

- Question RE: Wolfyone and whoever put her AO in there as Central Jersey. She's definitely from Newtown PA. Should I update that?

- Nah, registering anonymously is trivial.

- Yes

- feedback on blanks will be crowdsourced across reddit and the g+ posts. People reporting back. Website will periodically update.

- Hm ok. It's been a long time since I had a domain name

- 👍

- general rule yes: if you're sure you're right about something, lock it down. If you're not perfectly sure, ask.

- It would be stellar to be able to tag the offending agents in the G+ posts.

- Sock puppet g+ account?

- it annoys me that the barcodes will get away with it

- Mmmm... Grrr... Yeah

- Tag them in comms?

- we are going to have to do some value-added content. Minimal, but enough to explain the real implications of Omnivore and Radar

- theres a bunch of nonmachine identifiable duplicates.

- Yeah, definitely explain to everyone what these tools do.

- also

- I would really rather see us all push this. I have heard the concerns about artificial concert and phased release, but...

Anonymous g+ release feels cowardly and easily attacked. Single-user release feels like putting someone on the cross.

- [[Photo]]

- Actual person or joke

- actual person

- ok

- classic question :)

- Enlightened agents, remember when you felt like your actions were able to be tracked, but you knew there was no way to do that based on comms data? Well...

- it has to be completely absent of vitriol

- Everyone else is going to do the work of being angry for us.

- I could probably write something sufficiently detached

- I think sometimes I lack the ability to have an extreme emotional response to things. I'm good at winding other people up, but I don't necessarily feel things to the extent they do.

- blueblitzkreig/blueblitzkrieg
cigtide/clgtide
coximus/coxmius
dramaticlemur/dramaticmur
euruproktos/euruprotokos
nachometalista/nachometelista
timmaaay/timmaay
valkryria/valkyria

- This is outrageous, and aggravating, but beyond giving an offending agent a sideways look and a tsk tsk while shaking my head and telling them they really messed up, I wouldn't be shaking with anger or anything.

I guess if people had lied to my face like with some of you I would feel stronger.

- I can fix them but I need to know which is correct

- Timmaaay with 3 As

- Dramaticlemur

- Euruproktos

- Nachometalista

- Valkryria

- so I propose that we:

Quickly build the website really nicely and clearly showing what this thing is, who was in it, and what they did. Try to gather cases of actual kills.

Once its a button push away from rolling out, we bring in a group of ENL who can review the list early and tell us who some of these RES are.

If anything leaks in that stage, you roll out with what you have.

After 24 hours for review, it goes public with a G+/Reddit post. Who posts and whether it should be anonymous subject to a poll here.

- I still think you need to give Krug a 24 hour.

- Blueblitzkreig

- This shit storm hits Niantic.

- so krug comes in at the same time as other connected ENL

- Coximus
And looks like clgtide (p57 of the bot list)

- Quick thought before I hit the sack: are we planning two or three steps ahead? For instance, what if the lid is blown off and Niantic's response is to lock down intel? Make it nearly impossible to use any tools?

- I dont know that is a response I expect from them. I guess its possible

- I was thinking this earlier today and got sidetracked. Ultimately, I think getting this information out is more important.

- the entire thing is game breaking.

- potentially

- Fine by me.

- We will still find a way to make triangles.

- if you want to start working on it, go for it. We're probably 48 hours out from a relese, but being ahead of the curve on prep is much to be desired.

- sorry, phone rang. catching up

- what if niantic finds a way to stop it, but the Resistance in the US decide to give up en masse since they suck at anomalies and now they lose this

- Then we have to adjust our game so they will show up again

- Coximus is the only one I can ID

- I am not saying these are reasons not to release, just potential reactions.

- I agree, it needs to be out there. It's utter bullshit and needs to be stopped. Just hoping Niantic doesn't take the cheapest, crappiest approach and punish everyone. Contemplating what would counter such a move on their part.

- I expect them to just deny, deny, deny, and things will go on pretty much unchanged.

- Ugh.

- Rank and file RES won't quit ingress it will continue with an altered social dynamic

- I want to talk and think about this more.

- If we talk to him, we don't give him much.

- If we pushed Niantic to do something as hard as we did about remote recharge, they might bork the entire system for everyone.

- You could give him, scraper thing exists, we have all the data, there are niantic employees and vanguards implicated.

- although, if you give him too little he will make more noise

- Name names.

- you have to give him enough to go to those people

- It's not like Krug can leak this, he works for Niantic.

- and not ask around about it

- Damn. I'm still shocked when reading that.

- He needs to handle the internal stuff, and it's going to be hard for them.

- I'd like to give Niantic as much room as possible to do the right thing.

- I'm only shocked that it leaked

- If I thought this would hold 48 hours I'd say give him 48 hours.

- But it won't.

- So we give him the NIA employees, anomaly POCs and Vanguard

- and the gist

- hm

- are we on accelerated timeline or still releasing in 10 days?

- Give enough to prove we have good data and more of it, that can force krug into an ally position

- What makes us think we only have 48 hours again?

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