- I'm assuming you'll want to act quickly?

- Also, @Semiotiq have you asked him why he's doing this?

- Did I miss that when I read back through?

- How long before they figure out someone is leaking it and shuts them out?

- πŸ‘

- Yeah, it sounds like a bit much, but this also sounds like Intel too good to be true.

- Maybe I'm just paranoid

- Ok, I'll trust the group consensus. I just had to put the thought out there.

- Yes

- It's not like we'd be adding any extra targets to our backs than we already have

- Most of us in here are hunted.

- Exactly. Lol

- That's my point. :)

- They beat that drum on Sarah's post.

- Definitely member list.

- Yep

- Lol

- Now that you've said that, that's all I can see

- Thanks

- Depending on who's a member in there, it's going to be ugly when the shit hits the fan

- Yeah, I don't think it was formed over night

- But if it's been going on that long and this is the first time there's a leak? Again, I get suspicious.

- Fair enough.

- This would be ironic

- I think that was discussed in the initial TGR chat. Iirc, the consensus was that they deserved to be outed

- Pfft. Let them dig for me. They have before.

- On this point, Niantic already knows the Nashville PoCs have access to scrapers. They've been reported for their GH behavior by more than one of us. Hell, I had one admit to coming to kill my oldest portals. I said all that to say, that it needs to be more than just a few.

If this isn't as massive as anticipated, and we don't release this the right way, we're going to end up just looking like we're butt hurt over not getting guardians. To be honest, I don't really think Res orga will be disrupted, or even care, that this is released. I've seen too many BRRN agents *actually pull up scraped data* using their bot in ResVue.

- My personal opinion is to release it as soon as there's concrete evidence, and the whistle blower is willing to talk directly to Niantic with us. Niantic will need to know who they are.

- That is the problem I ran into. Niantic needs to know where the data was contrived from and by whom.

- That way, all we are doing is giving a non-biased, informative report of ToS violations

- NOT an exposΓ© of Res scraping.

- Know what I mean?

- It's a subtle difference, but it'll mean lots

- I think it'll impact how the report is perceived.

- We don't want to make martyrs out of them

- WB could be guaranteed anonymity within Niantic.

- I'm guessing

- Niantic has already proven, repeatedly, that they can make arbitrary decisions without revealing why.

- So maybe, they'd keep *how* they know under wraps

- Krug is a good litmus test for this. Yes, he's Enl, but he's also a fair and impartial jury. He'll shoot straight with you on what can and can't be done

- Is there Niantic staff on that list?

- Got it

- Sorry, with time difference I keep getting stuck in back log land

- Back log of this chat, or the other?

- Rgr

- Let me get coffee.

- Lol...I'm not sure where to start. Did you hashtag a place like last time?

- If not, I'll just run through the 1k+

- πŸ‘

- I just finishing peeking through the media. Not for coffee and then back scroll.

- Can anyone in here? 😳😳

- You'd be amazed at how long a group of people can hide a murder. I would imagine this would be something similar. "Partners in crime, so to speak".

- Again, I caution against our approaching this as "Look! Here's proof they guardian hunt!"

We know they do, what's important to demonstrate in the post is HOW they are doing it. There is nothing in the ToS that says you can't hunt. There IS something there that says you can't scrape data. THAT is how we should approach this.

I would suggest keeping the two crusades separate. It'll have greater impact with the larger community. Just my $0.02 on that part.

- I'm with you on this as well. I'm still highly suspicious of the WB's motives. It seems they have a lot to lose, and very little to gain, with being exposed. So why now? Why us?

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- Protease dissolves the tissue, but it readily grows back. Anything that's highly acidic will do this. Pineapple is just one of the more acidic ones.

- I'm noticing. I'm commenting on some things just to keep a place marker

- Lots not even get into what my "heat map" might look like....lol.

- I saw that too.

- He's Enl.

- Agent1484, dukenukem785 (Nashville PoC), Hamtary (NLE PoC of Lyon meet up), Ethan isn't in there, thank God. It would've made the rest of this trip extremely awkward. 😐

Jab8288, Jinxs, loveyoume, nxorable, .....I know MANY of these names

- I'm disappointed to see Zorig in there. :(

- And some of the others....😒

- Are we the ones putting in the notes? Or are those coming from the WB?

- Got it. I'll add in on those.

- Question

- Can we prove some of the notes?

- Like, "scr33n being a Niantic investor"

- And there's Niantic devs listed, but only with description of having created a Navarro portal. Well, didn't many agents do that?

- Damn it. This is going to take a lot of time. Lol. I'm still making original notes, much less to comment on others.

- 😱

- I didn't question if they know what they're talking about. I'm asking if we can *prove* it.

- It's not what we know, it's what we can prove.

- I'm not talking about ME.

- Jesus

- I'm advocating on behalf of US

- Everyone in here

- If we go throwing that around, we damn well better be prepared to prove it

- If not, we're going to look like morons

- That's what I'm saying

- I have no idea if he is or isn't.

- But I also know that rumors and myths abound about who is/isn't "Niantic xyz".

- So I'm just wanting to be sure we can prove anything we claim so it doesn't blow up in our faces

- I don't have that kind of access. :(

- I just asked if it can be proven

- My question is both simple and legitimate

- The tool's existence is is own violation. Why be in there if you're not using it?

- So I don't think that will be an issue

- But if we're going to mention that someone is an actual staff person, we need to be prepared to defend that. Niantic will close ranks....quickly.

- Seeing that list of names....

You're not wrong.

- There's many that don't surprise me. But others....

- Back to adding notes....

- Ok, I'm sure I missed some, but that was a first pass

- There's more in there that I recognize, but I need to dig through chats to find out from where

- Is there an easier way for me to cross reference that list and my chats?

- A LOT of those names look familiar, but I'm having to search each one

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- Ok, then it'll take me some time, but I'll try to pound through it alphabetically

- Unfortunately there is more than one name on the Enl side of Vanguard that hunts....

- Not that we've seen anyway.

- This

- I was wondering what that stood for

- Like I said, there's many I recognize

- Just have to sort through

- Agreed. The ToS is ambiguous in many ways, but it's fairly clear on scraping data.

- Furthermore, the argument can be made that what we're looking at isn't "exactly" scraped data. What we are seeing is a slack channel that has access to a bot, that has access to a database. No one in that chat can be proven to have scraped. Just that they queried a db. Now, logic would dictate that the db is compiled using scraped data, but the members of that chat can technically say they had no idea how the info arrived, just that they had access. Plausible deniability. Is the reveal still embarrassing? Yes. But unfortunately, being an idiot isn't against ToS.

- I don't think we are, but I wasn't sure.

- The only reason why I phrase the defense that way is because that's how it was phrased to me when one of the res on that list pulled a series of my portals.

- It seems to be doing the same thing? Or am I mistaken?

- I've never used that bot

- I'm not in Slack. Lol

- Oh...didn't know that either

- I wish we could prove the scraper. Not just access to a bot that queries a db

- How?

- Yes, but I'm talking physical data proof. I'm not really sure if what I'm thinking of exists

- But some kind of code to show

- Know what I mean?

- (I know next to nothing about code)

- That thing. API. Knew I saw a word for it

- That could get ugly

- I'm still combing the list for names I can add input to

- There's a lot of names I know

- You're entitled to this opinion. I'm just making people very aware of what will be said. How do I know this? Because it's what I was told when I asked a Res agent how they came by that info.

Apparently, I have to keep reminding people of this:

It's not what you KNOW, it's what you can PROVE.

There's an attorney in here. Ask her. @AnAmerican_BNA .

- Does it make it right? Fuck no

- I'm more hurt than angry.

- I have people on that list that I thought were real friends

- This is personal for me on many levels.

- But if we're going to do this, we need to do it right. We need to be responsive, not reactionary.

- That's all I'm saying

- Right now, the best we can hope for with what we have is public outing and embarrassment. I want to be able to use this opportunity to actually effect CHANGE. Trust me when I tell you that most of the names of many on that list won't care that they're outed.

- And that's exactly what I'm hoping we can do. Effect change. In order to do that, we need to approach this as un-emotionally as possible

- That's a global list of agents. You have almost every continent represented there

- This..

- She's right about the Disaster group

- I can't speak for all Chicago leadership, but I know that many of the "disaster" group hunts.

- I have to close this chat for awhile. I'm no longer in my own company. I'll use this as a marker. #CatsPlace

- I'll finish with that list much later. I won't be alone again until after the event later tonight

- Holy shit, what did I miss?

- It's early and I have a 3 hour drive and a 2 hour ferry to Belfast. Will I have time to catch up?

- Hi

- My brain isn't on yet

- Yeah, I put in a place holder somewhere

- I also had 3 tags but when I clicked on them, they dissappeared. :/

- Yeah, last night was a long one. Up late helping with mission days.

- Rgr. I'm 5 hours ahead of EDT

- I'll refrain from asking anything until I finish backlog. I'll assume my questions will be answered then, and if not, then I'll ping.

- Just give me a few. Have to shower and leave in 45 minutes

- I'm still in bed. Got to sleep about 4 hrs ago

- God bless you. Thank you.

- Charlie, I'll be available in about an hour and half. I'll have the benefit of time here to catch up, as current convo won't be happening real time on your end due to the hour

- Did that make sense?

- Good. I was afraid I was awake

- I think what I meant was, there won't be a lot of chatter happening while I'm backlogging

- I think, in this case, it's mandatory.

- Wait. So you told Andrew this was coming?

- Gotcha.

- And his response was he's on vacation?

- I see.

- Are we releasing the notes of the spreadsheet with names?

- I saw something about comments being included.

- Ok, so that's internal for us still. Got it.

- Once I've caught up, I'll cross reference my contacts on the rest of that list.

- I meant to do it last night, but work got me.

- The anomaly PoCs doesn't surprise me. Most of them are BRRN, where they pull their PoCs from. It's like our EGS.

- What's an angel investor?

- I guess I could've Googled

- Sorry

- So I'll delete that from my entries

- My apologies

- Totally unrelated, I now know what pussy tastes like.

- They have not. Not as of right now.

- [[Photo]]To clarify my statement.

- Yes

- 10 years

- I'm amazed he even got that

- With current sentencing, I've seen people walk for that

- It's disgusting

- Lol

- Charlie, you're not helping. πŸ˜‘

- Go to bed please so I can catch up.

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- I missed the "estimated to be in the thousands"?

- Is that an assumption, or something indicated somewhere?

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- Fml

- I'm tired of this 24 hr schedule

- Lol

- Work in the afternoon, evening, late night, and morning. Because everything I'm currently involved in occurs in time zones with up to 12 hour differences.

- Damn it people

- I can't back log like this!

- Check your dm. Sent you video

- I'm freezing my ass off on the coast of Scotland

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- Lol...oops

- *sigh*

- Why aren't you people sleeping so I can catch up??

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- Quick question regarding this file: are all the docs in from the WB?

- And I'm never going to get caught up when every time I try there's another 100 missed messages. :(

- Understood

- But is everything in there from them? Written by them?

- Specifically the docs?

- [[Photo]]

- [[Photo]]

- Is that a me issue?

- As in my data or phone?

- I can see it until I click on it

- Damn it

- So that's a no go for me before release then.

- I'll be on a ferry on low signal

- Fml

- And fuck the ferry

- Thank God. Now I can catch up.

- Saved this. Awesome.

- I sent you a request

- Lol

- Canada: don't know

Europe: touchy territory. Several of the communities hunt. Sort of the "we have to in order to beat them at their own game."

Australia: you'd be hard pressed to find a connected one that doesn't hunt.

Asia: Yabbie. Hands down. Enl Philippines.

- This

- The whistle blower in this case was my friend David. He joined into that crew to try to clear Fenris' name. It was Fenris he went to with the info he found, not knowing that Fenris was part of the spoofing ring.

- Holy shit, finished backlog

- It was....Jesus

- There's a bar on the ferry though. That is helping

- Some thoughts on it:

1) The Niantic dev: I have a weird suspicion on this. Hear my weird ass out....I think maybe he's supposed to be in there. If you're trying to figure out what people are doing to get into your data, what better way to do it? But that's just a possible thought. I truly don't know.

2) While under my current contract and NDA, I am limited in certain respects. So I'll be assisting the broadcast of this message from behind the scenes.

3) I think it's good that Andrew was informed and not blind sided. I think it validates what is about to happen as a revelation of truth and fact, instead of a blitz attack on the Res. I know some may want to politicize this, but I think doing so will dilute the impact. The data compiled can stand on its own. By not using the information as a weapon, we put ourselves in a more defensible position. "We're not out to destroy the core Resistance. We want to effect change and reveal the tools being used to negatively impact the game."

4) I agree that personal info shouldn't be released. I'll delete names I added if someone else hasn't already.

5) I had something for this but now I don't remember.

6) I already have a target on my back, for many reasons, from both Res and Enl. Not the least of which is my current assignment with Niantic. As such, I choose not to give anyone a bigger one. With that said, I do not wish to engage the WB

7) The site looks good Erich. Thank you for your hard work.

- Did I miss anything?

- It was a thought I had late last night, but wasn't really sure

- It might be a valid possibility, but I have NO IDEA how we might vet that

- It would be damning if the WB could get ss of that dev pulling portals

- Activity from them of some kind

- Something that shows they're an active participant and not just a silent observer.

- Correct

- That would be awesome

- Can anyone who's interacting with WB ask for specific ss on just him?

- Some kind of user history?

- (I'm not a slack person. Don't even know if that's available)

- Rgr

- Gotcha

- Collateral damage for the greater good? I have no idea

- And again, I am just guessing. I honestly don't know

- But I wanted to consider the possibility

- It just seems like unnecessary exposure to me

- Does anyone know what he does as a dev?

- Like, is he graphics, coding, what?

- Right

- πŸ‘†

- Again, I might be way off base, but the thought had ran through my mind and I thought it fair to share it.

- That's all.

- How do I get back into the website?

- Just woke back up. Took brief nap on ferry

- Missed 100+ messages

- My head is going to explode

- Oh God bless you

- This^^

- Lol

- So release happened?

- They needed to do it Ingress

- Not to just their own public page

- Just my suggestion

- Rgr

- They can't edit, can they?

- All that is locked down?

- (Dumb question, but had to ask)

- I have an event with one of the Res on that list tomorrow

- I do not know if I can keep quiet. I almost wish I didn't know right now.

- Can someone tell Brian to stop recording? Lol

- Look at the top

- Also, can we share the website?

- I want to casually drop it into a chat

- You think?

- [[Photo]]

- Does anyone else see Brian?

- Lol

- I've "dropped" it to Asia and Australia

- I need some advice please

- I'd like all points of view

- Should I have one of the enl PoCs drop it into the NLE PoC chat?

- Or no?

- Ok

- Because it will cause an issue. A big one.

- [[Webpage]]Google+ post by Trey Walker
https://plus.google.com/+TreyWalker/posts/cB5f1WXqb8d

- Who is this?

- Because I'm not ok with them saying it's selling info on minor children

- Again, radical comments and statements like that can have negative impact.

- I told you

- I was very clear on this

- Why? Because I've presented info to them before. That's the answer I got

- I know exactly what he's doing.

- How many views is it up to now?

- I will not share Andrew's private message convos with me. My apologies.

- I can say this much....we needed proof of them using it. Actually pulling stuff up.

- Them being members isn't enough.

- I said that early on

- Andrew is listening and we have his attention

- But we need to get him that

- I pointed him to that

- Plus some other things that he could possibly use as well

- Not what you know, what you can prove.

- I'm going to stitch that somewhere.

- They are, but the bans would have been nice.

- It's enough to cause embarrassment to some, bans for others, and no particular change for yet even more. We've given Andrew info, yes, but he NEEDS a way to validate it. People can keep ignoring this point all they want to, but it's still a factor. I thought the intent here was to effect change, not just to "out" that Res are using scrapers. If the only intent of this was to get the dev fired, the Vanguards let go, and some PoCs on the hot sheet, then we're not going to effect change in the overall game mechanics.

- Just my $0.02.

- I'm waiting to see what happens on Monday

- It's going to be....interesting

- The NLE PoC chat has gone disturbingly silent

- I think they will.

- This is why I said that TreyWalker wasn't helping anything with those reckless comments of his

- 😐

- Lol

- Screen shots, but nothing useful.

- Where can you see that?

- πŸ‘

- I don't even want to hear it

- I don't have a reddit account

- I'm still not 100% sure how to navigate reddit

- Wow

- Can you get control of it again?

- They are determined

- He's.....different

- Yep

- Waaaay back in the day

- I don't know that they know everyone that's in this chat

- Erich would definitely be discovered to be a target. I imagine they could find out who did the site?

- O.o

- Define "leaks"...

- Did the WB tell us that?

- Wait wait wait

- How?

- I'm so confused now

- How did we see it in real time though?

- We didn't have access to riot

- πŸ‘

- Ahhhh

- So, time out....

- Does that mean their scraper is down?

- Somehow someone found out I was involved

- [[Photo]]

- Was pinged by this smurf last night

- They were trying to explain their name being on that list

- We had a rather heated personal discussion that took place before my statement you see there.

- I saw no reason to share that due to its personal nature. This was someone I had called friend. One of the names I said it hurt to see.

- They pinged me to say "nice job with the crew. Allow me to explain."

- Either way, it was bound to come out. It hasn't been detrimental to me, nor do I anticipate it being so. Andrew is aware of my involvement and I don't think I've done anything wrong in helping make this happen. I have not posted anything "publicly", and I have not commented anywhere. That satisfies the terms of my contract.

- I'll live. Did I miss anything crucial in backlog?

- Any mandatory reading from @Semiotiq

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- Damn it

- TGR and it's spin offs are issuing me more homework than my PhD classes

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- Lol

- Now's the time to get your guardian. Lol

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- I regret nothing

- NOTHING

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- Belfast, Ireland

- And yes, I'm drinking

- I'm also getting tagged in posts now. :/

- I knew the risks

- I've always been hunted and doxxed anyway

- So this is nothing new

- Hell, this is easier than when I posted the fact that I was gifted a BRRN coin.

- They tried to hack my school email. Lol

- You're not wrong

- The smurf tears on that one were epic

- So were the threats. πŸ˜•

- But yeah, I'm starting to get tagged as people keep posting. Like me, Andrew, Nia Ops, Ethan....etc

- "Do something" posts

- Lol, kind of like that

- Like I said, no regrets

- That happened in a Res chat

- Sorry, 2 separate instances

- Oh this is funny....

- Ready?

- From same Res agent who realized I was involved....

- [[Photo]]

- Lmao

- Yeah, because that's TOTALLY the problem

- Please don't share those outside this chat.

- His name is on the list and he's already been banned once

- I've turned over several additional items directly to Andrew

- ??

- Yeah, I've given Andrew his name. Doing so here would be that doxxing thing you guys are talking about, yes?

- I'm still a little fuzzy on that other than knowing it's when people give up your personal info. Do I have that right?

- Also, one of the Res PoCs for tonight's meet up was an admin of RIOT.

- 😐

- So I have that to look forward to

- Gotcha

- I'm just going to drink a whisky tonight and enjoy myself.

And bite holes in my tongue not to ask him where my oldest portal is and when they plan on killing it.

- Why on earth would people query for aged portals then?

- Sorry, doesn't hold water with me.

- Here's how I see this: I carry a knife. It can be used to eat with. It can also be used to kill someone. Only one of those ways is legal.

- I'd have more respect for them if they just admitted to it.

- I have nothing but respect for assholes. They're honest.

- Lol

- I'll be back in a bit

- I have to finish this stupid banner I started

- Ok, I'm a bit lost on something

- What's patreon?

- I don't remember seeing her in there

- Lol

- I just shook the hand of keyboardwarrior

- If someone wants to update his AO, it's Belfast, Ireland

- He's also the current anomaly PoC

- Not sure if that still matters, or not

- I'm having a really hard time not saying something

- Fuck

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- Ok....that was weird

- He just openly copped to being on the list

- Furthermore, he acknowledged what I've been saying all along.....that list wasn't even 10% of those who have access

- There were many names missing from that list that I know scrape

- He never used the slack

- He only uses riot

- Confirms it's down...."for now"

- Yep

- Said the joke is that the majority of the hunters never needed the slack, or didn't join it

- They had direct access to riot

- Typically, those who were lower down on the "connected" ladder used the access available from the slack.

- The rest didn't need it

- I wish. Lol

- Newp. πŸ˜‘

- And yes, riot is down

- No, use the Res against them

- Link to posts like Niko's

- And Ruth's....

- That's Res ADMITTING it's real

- I'm serious

- Exactly

- So respond to that reddit post with that info

- Direct links to Res comments and posts admitting to it

- Best answer for that

- Also, someone kill me please.

- Why did I think it was a good idea to mule packs back?

- Back to work for me

- 70+ packs?

- You mean the MD?

- I think I'm helping with that, but I don't know if I'll be there. I have 5 MDs going at the moment

- Wait, what did I miss?

- Holy cow I'm mid back log and shit happened

- Well....fuck

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- I just killed someone's 691 day guardian

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- It was at that castle and distillery. I even have a bottle of whiskey, 2 glasses, and a tshirt. πŸ˜•

- They're on their soft opening

- They weren't even officially open yet

- They just got bought by some company

- Those pics of years and names are all the concert acts that have been hosted at this castle's grounds.

- I'm going to assume she got it during the last event.

- Nope, actually Ethan found it on Google maps

- He typed in distilleries nearby and that one was 5 minutes from us

- Perhaps there isn't one. Just bad timing on my part, I guess.
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