- I love the idea of strategic timing, and taking measured steps. But I'd argue that, if the 900 members number is an accurate figure, our timeline of exclusive access might be short. That seems like an awful lot of people to keep something this toxic quiet for very long.

- I'm not involved in ours, that I know of, so I have no idea of the scope/scale. Are there really potentially that many people subscribed/involved on our side? It just seems like such a huge number to me.

- I would concede this point if it weren't for the RES attempt to kill the Houston anomaly, and simultaneous/subsequent recruitment push for Boulder. To me, this feels more like a riposte than a dirty trick. Especially if those are the anomaly dates we're targeting.

- Also this.

- I'm not agreeing that it's bad/sneaky behavior; I'm saying it would feel more like that, and less like a neutral and valid infowar/psyop move if they hadn't been playing that game as well. I don't think it's dirty/sneaky at all. Optimizing the release time to our advantage, and to their disadvantage is fair play IMHO.

- It's sharp, not nasty, or foul play. We're not manufacturing propaganda.

- Absolutely. My impression was that the goal of releasing it prior to the anomaly was to maximize the attention it receives, assuming that Whistle was correct about the involvement of anomaly leadership. Disrupting actual anomaly play/planning is just another tick in the "pros" column of using that timing, and another reason it's a strategically sound move.

- If it's just a bunch of salty GHs, there's not as much strategic value or reason that releasing it beforehand would get more signal.

- This is so important. I know there's a lot of relevance to the Guardian issue, but from the discussion here today if nothing else, it's evident that ENL have scraping tools being used for the same purpose. But if anomaly leadership and faction ambassadors to Niantic are involved, it really needs to be accompanied by some noise, and interfering with anomaly mechanics will do that. It's really a good thing if that Noise is more distracting to our opponents than us, especially if it's because their leadership is more deeply involved in shady shenans than ours. Of course, this strategy heavily depends on that being true.

- Especially if you posted a companion list of people who had left the group since the prior post. Assuming it wasn't immediately completely shut down.

- CaptUnder. Ha.

- Oh shoot - me too. Sorry.

- I will be super interested to hear about reasons/motivations once the flow slows.

- Poor neglected wuff πŸ˜”

- I would not be surprised if some of the bigger local kings were in with regional leads, and had access through the bots. I can't believe 12thman doesn't share everything with that whole crew, one way or another.

- You show up on email alerts though.

- One of my community members is in the same spot, and it was demonstrably done by someone from outside the region. I have the names available for a search.

- Ding, ding, both TG and HO, where I already had a chat history with him.

- This is huge.

- I'm so glad it happened before the release.

- Could we pin the site for review? I'm having trouble finding it, unless we don't see it until permissions are granted?

- Completely fine - just didn't want to be accidentally slacking. Thanks!

- Agree 100%. The anger, sadness, and betrayal will come without any prompting.

- It'd be great to see another hunt come to completion before the release tomorrow.

- Yep - that's what I mean

- The quotes will probably make it clear there's a specific individual involved, but they really ARE powerful. I think they'll add some humanity without taking away from a dispassionate tone.

- That anatomy of a hit is so. powerful.

- I really think leading with that would be an amazing hook without at all changing the dispassionate tone.

- Yeah. There's so many devils in those details. Creeptastic.

- I'm having a hard time articulating my own feels. I don't even know how to guide this one in so as to mitigate the blast, beyond "please try to stay civil, and keep it out of comms for the love of god, but please do also post about about how this makes you feel. Post somewhere, anywhere, and tag as many people as you can think of."

- I've been looking for this and I can't find it. Do have the forward or know how it was marked? I tried pullquote

- WOW. But yeah. I understand why, but I would have liked to know.

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- Thanks, Elliot! Just FYI the Sarah New post is about the Russell incident 6 months ago. I reposted that one, anyway.

- I'm getting post not found

- Tku - I'll reshare once it's public πŸ’š

- Backlogging like mad with half a brain because I'm on my way to WPA to see my Dad in the hospital today. He's okay-ish. But even half - paying attention, this release is magnificent. Counters their half-assed spin beautifully. πŸ’š

- Also magnificent. Thank you.

- βœ‹

- This slays me. So many res posts and conversations filled with excuses, denials and bluster, and yet NONE try to say this doesn't actually exist. LMFAO.

- I can understand being scared as a developer if some of what's been said in here was shared. It's a justifiable defensive move. Has anyone thought about responding to the developer directly?

- I didn't mean as a group though. We've got a range of opinions in here for which tools are okay and which are not, as well as what the reporting threshold is or should be. If you're an anomaly operator with access to anomaly tools, and you want to preserve that connection, maybe it would be worthwhile approaching the dev(s) to explain your position.

- I think this is a reasonable tack that even a panicked developer who understandably reacted in fear to secondhand information might understand after a little time has passed, if approached directly and individually. They also might not. I think leaving the room is probably pointless at this stage, unless the point is you're upset and feel betrayed, which is also understandable, even if a leak was unavoidable.

- We're under attack for taking a stand. Some of us are on shifter sands than others, some of us are more prepared for that than others. We came here to expose a tool that is unquestionably cheating, unquestionably bad acting. Our work isn't done yet.

- Can we please focus on that single task, and protect and support one another in that endeavor? If you feel like there are other tools that need dismantling, or another dragon you'd like to slay from the back of this one, start another breakout. Please don't co-opt the efforts of the people here who have put good faith into this single cause. Please also lift up and support your fellow agents in this who are under attack by focusing on THIS issue.

- Sorry becca - I actually wasn't replying to you - more adding on to what you'd said, because I liked it.

- I'm having a really hard time articulating what I mean.

- The enterprise is exposing and taking down RIOT, right? I think that may have gotten muddied recently, and that's part of the feels this fine morning.

- I don't like my food touching. Let's put those potatoes in another TG please.

- I'm in enl.io too, nominally. I'm comfortable with making the distinction between that and what is on RIOT, or apologizing for my ignorance and involvement if it's "outed" and my name is released.

- I would like to see at least one more update on the Whistle Blower story. The narrative and quotes that we have tell an important part of the story and should be shared.

- A story in a general or gaming news outlet would be great.

- But I know Erich was an important resource for this, and some of the people who have left were vital to moving those efforts forward.

- I'm still in. I just don't know what I can do. And I don't know what else I'm willing to do beyond the scope of the initial project.

- I'm also willing to leave if my nominal involvement and likely appearance in the enl.io, poptart, or cactusbot databases would be a problem (or the anomaly tools that I'm not going to disavow or leak), but I'm not bowing out unless I'm asked to do so.

- This is distressing. I thought we had more trust in here than that.

- I'd forgotten about that one. I knew about it but never sought access because the numbers never interested me beyond what popped up as the fields were established. I know it's scrapery but my impression was that it was a narrowly focused research project. I hope it's not shutting down but I get the worry.

- There's a big difference between talking about what was going on to the "wrong" people and leaking, and sharing screenshots. Maybe I should be mad. But I'm just sad and disappointed.