- Globally? I'm sure.

- Being the whistleblower, I think

- Don't doubt Charlie's ability to find grenades to jump on

- I hear it's got some good spreadsheets.

- Europe is great at tools, haven't you noticed?

- SOP, V, Rocks

- on our side
.....17.10.2017 14:36:05, Scott Lykens (@5parkee): >>unsupported service message type: messageActionChatJoinedByLink<<

- That would be even more divisive than the original guardian discussion.

- So, I suppose something would be gained if we tried to unite ENL and RES who hate scraping against ENL and RES who scrape. But it sure wouldn't be ENL factional unity or focus.

- What would be gained?

- I guess it would pre-empt the RES accusation that we do it too.

- Us and each other.

- {{FWD: Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA), 09.10.2017 13:14:28}}
IITC violates TOS!

- It'll definitely be press for the scrapers though

- And I don't think Niantic can realistically block the scraping

- This would continue without guardian.

- It seems fairly unlikely -- the slack admins would have to have explicitly turned it on

- Heh, you mean, what ELSE is this slack?

- It's like asking ENLIO users how it gets its data.

- Are these 600 the elite or the rank-and-file?

- Visible to us != public

- Because some people in here are excited about exposing all the scraping to guardian hunt, not just RES.

- Waiting three weeks seems like a stretch

- Which may take longer on their team than ours

- We should scrape Comm to find the actions. πŸ˜‚

- More realistically, attack notification emails.

- Huh it never occurred to me that people would turn those off.

- I just filter the emails and don't read them, but then can search them.

- Yeah, I wouldn't want to risk moving this too close to anomaly -- the backlash will take place after the release

- Have you tried kiwis?

- Yeah if you eat enough kiwis your mouth starts to dissolve, it's great. Also pineapple.

- You are probably correct.

- Junior mints don't dissolve ANYTHING

- Agreed.

- It not hard if you have all their data

- That sounds like European English

- You just run a scraper forever and you have everything

- The information is really useful to track spoofers.

- Strange account shows up, you can find out where they took their first action

- Are they local? Did they level up in Russia?

- Then the slope is slippery.

- Yes, exactly.

- My RES definitely have access to data about where accounts started and they haven't tried to hide it.

- Spoofer

- I'm a little uncomfortable with small safe spaces where we will eventually add hundreds of people so we should monitor our words

- Although I guess there's a way not to give people the history now

- πŸ‘πŸ‘

- If I don't want to participate in the simultaneous release should I leave now? Or just not join that other channel?

- Not sure what expectations you have for involvement

- πŸ‘

- The appropriate amount of warning is the pre-existing drama on Reddit with Russell.

- Like, they know we make drama with this kind of stuff. it's fair game.
.....17.10.2017 19:57:47, Melissa Bailey (PeanutsMom): >>unsupported service message type: messageActionChatJoinedByLink<<

- She's right

- Well, if you were trying to double-check if guardians were being knocked off and didn't think it through, it could happen

- Wonder if somebody's using a nonprofit

- Or an educational institution?

- Charge a subscription fee?

- Should I request access?
.....17.10.2017 20:11:54, Charlie Arnold: >>unsupported service message type: messageActionPinMessage<<

- that's not pathological at all

- I should request access?

- dotsamantha

- mulligan

- thesolo, marhdeth

- Although, I mean, we're all in slacks we don't read

- riptides!!

- yeah this is definitely where the overinflated stories about riptides being able to track your movements come from

- zaph0d42

- I'm also enjoying recognizing RES who tried signing up on V

- sofakat was a recent FC, right?

- stoopedusername is korcita's nemesis?

- fun!!

- is ivanrussell someone?

- thought so, ok

- This is probably also insight into their power structure/who's connected. Maybe.

- phantomdarkness

- sorry

- Where's the sheet?

- I'll make it.

- Can we label them by metro area or state too?

- Or are we leaking this to the internet?

- No real surprise but still 😭

- Three columns -- Agent Name | Rough AO | Page

- I LOVE ALL YOU WONDERFUL INNOCENT PEOPLE

- Yeah I've just been entering everything because I am not sure the ss are identical, don't want to miss someone

- thank you

- Erich I'm at 31

- Wait, was roguehellfyre a poc for persepolis? Or just 13MR?

- I'm relieved there's no one on the list I thought was ENL.

- I'll type up omnivore in another tab?

- πŸ‘πŸ‘

- yeah if we get it in the sheet we can check them against each other easily

- Mine too.

- I do not want to be involved in the release of this thing, I want to be free to respond without it publicly being my fault.

- But I'm gonna type up the next tab now. πŸ˜„

- Note: Remember that Krug helped build ENL.io

- whatever shaperbeast uses

- ha, did you ask?

- Poptart does something more than just notify you when fields go up, I take it?

- I don't recognize the name but it's a big state

- but it's a hard argument to ... let's not have that argument here please.

- They're both about access. Omnivore might be a higher level of access.

- But people can be in a channel without using the thing.

- If we're already attacking each other over this we're gonna be in trouble when this breaks.

- This is fascinating intel, thank you!

- This tool is old.

- We are all learning the extent of our own naivete here.

- Everyone has some.

- πŸ‘†

- It's not necessary. if it's happening I'm sure it will come out. But it seems unlikely.

- It's one google account talking to Charlie.

- That's all we know.

- I think we are all here because we are troubled by scraping.

- We are just working in wildly different contexts.

- We suspect not, I think

- RES are pretty hierarchical. We know WB doesn't have access to the API key for Slack.

- If WB was running the bot they'd probably be admin for the slack.

- I don't think he would be the only one.

- Vanguards don't get paid.

- Everyone knows Semi's in a meeting right? Just checking.

- They've got alerts, that's radar. Mostly counterfielding.

- Does somebody want to type up the radar list? I'm probably done for th enight.

- Hmm, WB at this point has all of our names.

- I'm not sure I realized that.

- Yeah. They're her docs and shared with us all.

- Too much hurry.

- I can call him if we need to

- his phone # is posted on V

- everyone can

- WB is owner on docs shared with us

- So has all our email addresses

- If she checks

- And it should be him not us.

- @OneEyedCat

- I can text him if you'd rather

- thx

- Welcome Elliot!

- Not for the spreadsheet, for the three radar docs

- We don't have access to her email address

- True. I just would love to have it closed.

- Probably, yes.

- [[Photo]]

- @Semiotiq thank you

- Seems to be resolved.

- @sksm5966 if you're just catching up the most important thing is probably that all this is under very tight wraps until the coordinated release

- Semi already did I think

- πŸ‘πŸ‘

- NYC mission monster kidd

- It's not really news. We knew he hunted.

- LOL. Yeah all kinds of fun drama on the horizon in NYC-NJ-Philly

- That's just RES hierarchy.

- The locals have to petition the regional ones to do anything.

- Ha, there's a reason it's important not to pronounce my ign Aneuristic

- Yes please. Just trying to get a sense of the geographic reach of this thing.

- So do RES have a the[thing] theme? Or is that just accident?

- So we should not click that link?

- Oh, that's the raw log?

- That's what I was thinking

- if you could be so kind

- it'd be easier to put the AO stuff in a central place too

- That was me -- I'd seen the name before, couldn't remember where

- tg bot that does some handy things, powered by a sketchy sketchy scraper

- In anticipation of the "everyone does it" argument generally

- "ENL scrape to guardian hunt too"

- There'll be time for that later.

- [[Photo]]

- [[Webpage]]patreon.com/radarresistance

- if you donate you can get API access

- um, don't donate

- Most of those 900 are probably bronze

- I didn't quite follow this but is there stuff in the docs it would actually be irresponsible to release because it can be used to dox people?

- Somewhere there is a list of all the Navarro portals with who made them right? Although maybe it doesn't list the niantic one

- I agree with this. I also think we probably need to explain why it violates tos and what tos means. I've had way too many players try to tell me agents are violating tos by deploying more than one 8 on a portal or doing things that are actually impossible. People don't know the tos.

- We're not actually releasing the notes and aos right? It might reduce some of the moral high ground we have about not autogenerating heatmaps with home locations

- Yes. Some of these people have access to a scraper and have said nothing. Some of them queried the scraper and gotten information. Others are more silently complicit, aware this is going on but not using it.

- Why is this worse than using @PortalAssistBot?

- @PortalMapBot and @PortalAssistBot are both telegram bots you can query to look up a portal globally by name

- @PortalMapBot just gives you name and info, probably scraped a list of portals once. @portalAssistbot gives you mods so is pulling things live.

- We can.

- [[Photo]]

- We've got the docs where they explain it to their agents

- I don't think we have any way of getting access to the scraper's API

- Although we could try to donate enough money to the patreon to demand the API key

- Lol I'm bluffing too, I don't know things about code. But it sounds right.

- Yeah I don't think it's a road we want to go down

- Especially since API key access was listed as "planned" in that doc

- I think I'm gonna suggest a ton of changes on this draft post text

- What I don't know, actually (and maybe @strandit knows) is, what's the opsec on that document -- is it actually widely distributed or is it very high-level?

- Hmm, should I screenshot the patreon? They'll pull that down in a heartbeat.

- What copyrighted material?

- There are some other websites they should also be reaching out to if they do that.

- Did they manage to get rid of any of the scraped pokemon sites?

- Well, we only definitively know that agents are aware of what's going on, unless we've got ss of them actually using it.

- I've certainly got access to tools I don't use.

- We haven't come across anything in all this that requires the use of scanner bots, right? It's all just aggregating and archiving the intel map.

- So responses are:
* This database wasn't necessarily created through scraping, maybe people manually added all this info
* ENL do this too

- ENL do it too. The fact that I'm not in those groups and if I was, there's no way in hell I'd post screenshots here, doesn't mean ENL do not do it.

- They can't stop the scraping.

- They can remove the incentives like Guardian (which they are working on) but they can't stop the scraping.

- I added this as a suggestion to the very beginning of the draft post doc:

The Ingress Terms of Service [link] prohibit the use of β€œautomation software, bots, spiders, crawlers, data mining tools, or hacks, tools, agents, engines, or devices of any kind” to β€œextract, scrape, or index the Services or Content (including information about users or game play)”. Downloading information in bulk from the Ingress scanner or intel map, or β€˜scraping’, is a violation of the Ingress Terms of Service.

- Realistically I don't think we can expect to get the proof Nadia wants

- So we have to limit our claims to what we have evidence of

- This is one battle in an ongoing war

- Patreon is pretty vague

- [[Photo]]

- That doc comes from a different source though, I'd want Bryant's guidance on if it's appropriate to release

- I just want to check with Bryant since he provided that info as context and I want to make sure we're planning to release it

- Right, ENL scrapers have a different featureset

- We just need to be very careful to avoid making false claims because those are really easy for them to call us on. We can say here that there's no ENL version of this; xfac that's fuzzier and we can't say it.

- There's a doc being revised; I made a bunch of changes/suggestions but I don't know if people like them. I think Semi's still asleep. That's here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fERELXXix5B1QIgqc0QeTgPvQ5j-7_62nykRaTQ7vSg/edit?usp=drive_web

Erich sorted out the images and put them here: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0B4vJMsAqJgF1Z0dYOXhFYlJ6VFU

- Well, also, we need to put the content in that they indicate.

- But we can't do that until it's hosted.

- Should we spinoff a tg for offtopic but important arguments?

- Thank you for your help, Nadia

- I think EU privacy mostly applies to servers hosted in the EU.

- There are a couple people listed as devs there

- Yeah, we need to provide something very objective and neutral first. Then once it breaks people will try to spin it all different directions.

- No, I think that's kind of creepy/stalkery. But we could tag ALL the vanguards.

- This is probably a reason we can get WB to understand

- One name in 900 is fairly anonymous. But yeah, res will do an ugly witch hunt and probably find them. We need to let that happen

- I agree re not including real names but we are NOT releasing this spreadsheet, right?

- I'm not sure a heatmap supports our point that RES are the creepy ones.

- I don't think we should do a ton of processing of this data.

- This would be safe. But any extrapolations or analysis we make will have errors and they can call us on errors.

- It's just another dumb argument that will detract from the core message.

- I dunno, it didn't work when it happened in anomaly slacks

- If WB joins all those channels people will see her join all those channels

- Thank you.

- Resistance Intel Operator Toolkit?

- I'm just spitballing but I bet it's something like that

- I'm pretty ok with him missing it.

- I think if that happens it happens in the public release, not before.

- The core problem with EGS is that there's nothing special about anomaly POCs.

- It's not even an anomaly-related issue

- Yes.

- SCANNER BOT

- oh that's good

- [[Photo]]

- Is it clear that that's coming from RIOT and not another tool being copy-pasted in?

- That ss is posted in the channel, yeah, not looked up by WB

- Some ENL will do what people always do and try to make their own

- e.g. "STRIKE is going to be the ENL RESWUE, we need to level the playing field"

- These aren't anomaly tools.

- Let's not assume things that aren't in the data

- Niantic investors?

- And we know this in a reasonable way?

- That's a terribly good reason. Respect to WB.

- I thought we were worried about people blowing this up early. I'd prefer not to bring others in

- Jillian.goldie@gmail.com

- Europe and Australia have their own agendas, I don't know that we can expect them to be coming from the same place

- Their buy-in would be valuable but getting it, I'm not sure

- Okay so more relevantly: for this WordPress site is there any reason not to put my normal email address etc?

- Depending how you set your notifications

- You'd need really comprehensive scanner bot scraping for that.

- This is still not fixed, not sure if it was intended to be by now.

- πŸ‘πŸ‘

- Spacing on the homepage is a little funky

- "An additional function called RADAR enables Resistance agents to receive automated real time alerts on intel triggers, such as:
– links over 20km thrown within 30 minutes of checkpoints
– mod deployment (specifically VRLA)"

Since these are examples I'd rephrase the last part to
- mod deployment of VRLA

- "Authorized agents also have access to an application called Omnivore, which allows them to launch bot interfaces elsewhere to further propagate this scraped data."

It's a subset of the authorized agents for RIOT right? Maybe "Some authorized agents"? Since not exactly parallel to previous population described with "authorized agents"

- "such as mod deployment such as VR hack mods and VRLA" is a lot of such ases. We're already in an example.

- "deployment of VRLA or VR hack mods"

- Permission to proceed with nitpicking? πŸ˜„

- I can move on

- Ok, this thing.

- In "The functionality that drives these features and their use are clear violations of the Niantic Terms of Service. While this particular group has been in operation since October of 2015, the underlying service and database have been active for over 3 years."

is "this particular group" really "this particular Slack"?

- πŸ‘

- "There is no way to know how many others interact with the bots they administer, but its estimated to be as high as 15,000."

s/its/it's or it is

- Hmm, maybe "the number is estimated", actually. #nitpick

- Also Niantic style: I think they capitalize all 3 letters of POC usually?

- I think WordPress has a way to collapse things under a Read More tag. Can we do that with the long list of agents? It's somewhat unlikely for people to read past that to the next text -- should either be collapsed or be a link.

- Maybe include the link to the evidence before it then?

- You know what would be pretty is embedding a Google Doc with the list.

- Ah.

- I might almost put the list on a separate tab and just let the intro be an intro.

- On Roster, maybe X not Yes ?

- "That’s how long it takes for agent Crooth5 to lose a guardian he has been tending for 146 days once EpsilonPrime decides that he wants it gone.

First, he makes a query to find any guardians this agent has."

"he" in second paragraph may want to be EpsilonPrime

- "Next, he searches within the broker network for the nearest agent willing to kill it. He immediately find 3 within a few kilometers, and they each receive a ping alert with the portal information."

s/find/finds

- "Agent Badeye99 responds that he’ll get it in several hours, but another nearby, agent GeneralEObvious is happy to help, creating a trail of captures so his strike is less noticeable."

Commas:

another nearby agent, GeneralEObvious, is happy to help

- "Sincere apologies to agent Crooth5 for serving as demonstration."

maybe "using him as demonstration"? serving feels not quite right

- [[Photo]]

- is that our screenshot or RES? what's the green overlay in top left?

- Mm, yeah, may be better without this.

- Weird, I don't have that but I guess I'm 16. Just wanted to make sure it's not a plugin or something.

- I think it's clear actually.

- We watched this guy get a guardian killed.

- A weak apology doesn't increase the impact.

- "One hour nine minutes" seems to drive it home pretty effectively imo

- In bot gallery, what are the icons of the apps the agent is using? Probably doesn't matter but I don't recognize them.

- Spacing in bot gallery is a little random -- rows of 2 then rows of 4?

- weeeird

- and a crown thing?

- Oh but I see you can click to page through. if that works reliably across operating systems, may be worth indicating that.

- And none of these screenshots are complete duplicates although some names repeat, I think?

- Fair, ok.

- What additional evidence do we plan to upload?

- sweet, that's the text we need written, ok

- Search output is a little hard to read, but may not be fixable since it's coming from a spreadsheet.

- [[Photo]]

- If it just linked to the page without the preview I feel like that would be better.

- Okay I have no further nitpicks at this time. Erich thank you so much for pulling this together.

- Yeah but being able to type in 'thesolo' and get hits feels so fucking good.

- hmmmm, not sure it's worth is

- heh, to match theirs

- RSC doesn't seem to care

- Noon is 9a Pacific though.

- one of the side goals here is trying to build relationships with Krug

- That's valuable.

- lol we can't change that, that's just Hanke

- Could be useful to keep the story going?

- Cheating in Pogo is just the game, you look up where the good raids are

- "I'm going to keep scraping until you give me an API" is such an unconvincing argument

- Defend.

- Nah they're just keeping an eye on the scraping and occasionally using it to catch spoofers.

- Is it WB's place to humanize it?

- fun!

- We can't get the roster tab to have a floating header so you can see the labels as you scroll down right? like a frozen row on sheets?

- πŸ‘

- Hmm. Should One Hour And Nine Minutes actually be regular uncapitalized English?

- πŸ’š

- Hmm, the title floats but not the headings -- can you get the headings there?

- yeah you can search on the pages, right?

- And it still doesn't scroll right.

- [[Photo]]

- ooh yes this has good names

- We had a location for leadfoot, right? SLC or something?

- πŸ‘

- are we sure about these names that are slightly differently spelled in the radar list and the bot list? like suntzutheeighth?

- also amgquick maybe

- can't be sure without checking the images

- ibotpeaches is on here, huh,

- so that list got us one more RES vanguard

- kylemiller/kyletmiller?

- MATHEMATICIAN

- sorry

- I'm just flagging them, not reconciling because I'm not sure what all is required.
piglugpanglu/piglupanglu

- YES

- tomwit/tomwitt

- There'll also probably be powerful people who don't use these tools. There are pretty well-connected ENL who refuse to use IITC.

- The other Travis.

- The patterns with names are pretty bizarre.

- Yeah, themaxx711 is a pretty great guy actually.

- Write a scanner bot!

- Good people and scraping are not actually incompatible.

- You have been inducted into the Cool Kids Club. It is an honor and a privilege and you'd better be good or we'll kick you out. Please do not reveal the shitty secrets the Cool Kids Club is built upon.

- Your community needs these services. Your community needs you in a position of power to advocate for them.

- And there are good people on this list who have explicitly lied to us about such a thing existing.

- We've probably lied to them too.

- ....but aren't you the adults?

- yes

- also in the riot tab

- Right, because we got the scanner stuff after writing the first draft.

- People really don't know what scraping is

- In nj's defense I don't think anyone I know in NJ claims friendship with those guys

- Yes, me too

- Yes please

- Bullet points would be pretty

- Is it actually Intel.ingress.com?

- [[Webpage]]Isn't it www.ingress.com/intel?

- Also maybe make it a link

- The end of my paragraph (about scraping) and Charlie's thing about scraping are sort of redundant now

- Q4 pocs only?

- Also you don't actually define scraping, you use the word and then refer to it as a technique.

- But you don't say in what fashion

- I'm going to bed

- Re comments on WordPress: you can set it to filter comments by default and only show ones you approve I think. If you want.

- It's a compromise between off and on

- Lol

- [[Webpage]]The thing I was being annoying about before I went to bed looks good, thank you. I might change the first "agent" to "player" in this paragraph

RIOT is a database application that aggregates information extracted from ingress.com/intel and agent scanner data and makes it available for agents to search

- I still think we should change "mod deployment, notably vrla" to "deployment of VRLA and very rare hack mods" but it sounds like people got tired of that conversation

- Ok. So I should not read over things and copyedit?

- I'll write everything and tag him if I hit a big one

- So, not a big one: I might say "enemy agents acting outside their predefined home areaS" bc they can have more than one

- Yep. Mostly I'm just noticing that the whole set of proposed nitpicks for this page last night didn't get made, probably accidentally since it includes some that were approved in chat.

- I'm fully aware that many more important things happened

- We know epsilonprime is male right?

- Is that chrome or a tg/Gmail native browser?

- Yep just looking for things we could get wrong

- Also that's really out of character for you to not care about lol

- Heh okay we're inconsistent about anonymous male vs they on the riot page but it's ok

- Unsure what this means at bottom of 'riot' page -- we are talking about the slack bot as opposed to a desktop app?

The bot is designed for mobile use of the RIOT feature set.

- Might add a few words there to explain if so

- What if we included a link at the bottom of the bot page that says "read next: link to whatever tool comes next" for mobile ease of use

- Omnivore page: hangouts is one word

- Yep

- Slight inconsistency between "ADA bots" and "ADA Bot", I'm sure you won't care

- Sorry

- Radar page: this paragraph looks like it could be rephrased, looks a little copy pasted

For instance, it can alert you when an agentΒ links over 20km thrown within 30 minutes of checkpoints, or any field thrown over a certain mu threshold

E.g.
For instance it can alert you when an agent throws a link over 20 km within 30 minutes of checkpoint.

- We switched from third person on riot to second person on radar which makes it a bit more obvious this was written by committee. Maybe not a big surprise to anyone that it was though.

- Third is I think more neutral

- I'm almost done.
Riot...one: most visited does not require a hyphen
God this thing is damning.
And we don't have to be careful about listing our clearers in sitre ps if res are tracking clearing this way this universally.
Hunter: extra space before one of the uses of agent. May be clearer if we add enemy or opposition or something so the two agents in the paragraph aren't confused.
Mods: Erich left a comment in to himself that he needs to delete and implement

- Nitpick inconsistency on riot...one -- periods at ends of sentences or not?
Heh if you are res and just hunting uniques not guardians you're still using riot to do it

- Done

- .... Actually done

- What would fix it? Wrapping agent names? Making columns narrower by shortening text in them?

- There's something really weird about how this WordPress template displays on mobile, I don't know if there's a setting to fix that

- Because that's the real problem causing this

- Can we change the gray background to white? That may be customizable

- If the gray is really there

- Right I'm speaking to someone who thought it was okay to have a Google form for an op you couldn't complete on ios

- They are. I'm sorry.

- Fwiw the WordPress skin on my wedding website doesn't have this problem

- And was also free

- Greatnorthern's blog also doesn't have this problem

- Neither of them have spreadsheets though, I can't be totally sure

- I just know that all the pages in this skin only take up half my screen on mobile

- Some skins are better in Mobile than others. And there might be an option to enable better mobile compatibility

- It really is the table screwing it up hmm

- And embed the sheet where you want it would work. But I think we've had this argument before.

- It would definitely be good to have the landing page be more readable. Text list would work on that.

- And maybe be more impactful.

- And almost six hours to go. Thinking of what other things have been achieved in 6 hours it should be ok

- πŸ‘

- ?

- The riot doc is stock I think not written by them?

- Lists also fix the search problem

- You know, our respected opponents are going to accuse us of keeping track of player data when we leave this website up. It's exactly their style

- 1) I think Nadia may be right on this; however, the optics is still bad. It wouldn't be the first time an outsider observer's presence was read as tacit permission.

- I think they wipe the history in the chat after 48 hours

- And she's not an admin of the slack

- It's really pretty well done, they're elegantly secure.

- This is a good point, I'd missed that.

- I agree with most of Nadia's points; I want to be free to react to this rather than posting the initial wave because politics, although it's probably unrealistic to think people won't figure out my involvement.

- I don't know if anyone got copies of the POC spreadsheet before NIantic purged all the old info

- It's all one spreadsheet

- Yeah it's hard to go back to Recursion

- Q3 also got purged I think

- [[Webpage]]POC list is typically linked here https://support.ingress.com/hc/en-us/articles/212001897
It's always been the same document but they started deleting or hiding old tabs. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KwrufwFaUrYf7Dc-G3mA7Xko27og6sSyQWr-vdPLFAw/edit#gid=591181292

- thepfk also Q3 (:

- if we're doing PDX pocs

- Or using a phone with spoofing software and a broken version of Ingress.

- Getting into those details seems bad.

- not wtf lol

- We have a 38 person group.

- We should not engage in a witch hunt but there are a lot of people in this group.

- ???

- Well we did tell NIA, right?

- We debated telling Krug

- At length I recall

- Taking down a server is like a spoofer creating a new account.

- With more paranoid security.

- Why are we looking at that site?

- And anything that was going to be purged was purged?

- Every time scraping to guardian hunt comes up, it's what RES cite as the opposing site

- I've been boots on ops like that.

- I know him.

- Unless it's an imposter.

- Link?

- @TheRealVedorian

- Child thing? He's just being a dick on the internet. That's what reddit is for.

- Yes, r/ingress is owned by a RES player.

- Who isn't ashamed to abuse that power.

- ooh smart. and unlike the icons they don't carry over from slack to slack

- They can. Mine's set on gravatar and it does.

- 13+ is minors

- I mean it doesn't identify them as minors

- It wasn't even backed up, it is a conspiracy theory.

- πŸ’š

- Maybe it's a chain of leaks

- What's going on?

- In a community like that where everyone has to have a chain of people vouching for them... you know who's disgruntled. And yeah, opsec is hard.

- We're sure it's real?

- Something here is a trap

- I don't know, I just feel that we should be very careful

- We broke the urgent news. We can slow down

- Why?

- But admitting that's what it's for and not a fake

- Wait we aren't sleeping yet?

- Charlie did you sleep

- I'm enjoying the dms I'm getting from people who want to make sure I've seen this

- Sleep. Eat.

- We almost certainly have leaks from this chat

- Question is how far those leaks will spread

- If everyone told one trusted friend that's a lot of people

- They probably have a new one. Someone boasted about that in comm.

- The scraper doesn't run in slack

- It's just accessed that way

- Vedorian is getting hunted like crazy right now

- Yes.

- That's fair

- True. Niantic has employees on both sides and it's not like we can swear Krug to secrecy

- "yeah I was invited to that slack but never logged in"

- How do you know?

- GREAT ANALOGY

- You don't have to accept admin status. You can be an admin without knowing.

- You do have to accept the Slack invite though.

- Anywhere you want us to keep an eye on?

- Sorry. Just.... if we can help, we would...

- I mean don't assume it so hard you reveal it.

- You've been asking people to give you posts for a collection

- sure it is

- No one is as famous as they think they are

- oh shit. yes.

- good luck

- Should we disable the join link? @Semiotiq

- It may be good not to have people randomly joining this now anyway

- ty

- I told him to sleep

- Is that like V badges where you can just add people to communities to label them?

- ?

- πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

- We can't swear Niantic to secrecy and we also can't assume any room this large keeps secrets

- Well they have employees on both teams

- "Nadia is the most powerful and well connected person I know! Nadia please fix this!"

- Doesn't really explain the name or the idea of a broker

- Yeah. Best case this is a guardian hunting tool that got adapted to do other things

- I do buy that some people in the group are only there to track spoofing

- What are we not asking Lori to do?

- How are we preventing future leaks?

- People believe this comes from a xfac group in favor of clean play.

- Probably not.

- I've seen it said.

- I mean not quite as many times as I've seen people say that RES are getting an inside feed from Niantic.

- But I'd hate to disabuse those people of that notion.

- Start following your RES around with cameras I guess?

- Yep. Please also don't run any of the scanner bots I suggested earlier

- Omg more clothes I can never leave my house in

- Ban the people who confess and do nothing to the ones who lie?

- No wonder my local res are lying to me

- Lately like since RIOT went down? Cause that would be hilarious

- Yeah I'm probably listed on Cactus. I signed in once to see what it was.

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- Probably cause I didn't own any portals πŸ˜‚

- Of course it was

- Yeah, it's just a question of access

- Yeah there definitely wasn't like any evidence posted or anything

- May want to screenshot the RES admitting it's real posts

- Just in case they go away after you do so

- He's from Philadelphia.

- Terms of service do not forbid telegram, Groupme, Slack, or Zello.

- And RES hunt guardians using a hangouts bot.

- Maybe check with someone else in Chicago to make sure it's not some kind of internal war?

- Are we sure we don't want ads? πŸ˜‚

- There are almost certainly private channels that wb wasn't in

- So we can't see them

- Yeah there is still a big institutional endorsement problem

- Oh.

- Yes

- Google gives hits on that shitty ingress-Intel site

- No

- No but it tells you if they are a player

- A mymap is not a guardian hunting system

- The fight wasn't about ethics right?

- If they get killed.

- And we can cross the who kills them bridge when we get there

- This is your copy right? Just want to triple check...

- πŸ‘

- You can definitely use riot to look up your own guardians

- Or any player's

- What is?

- You recognize the email address?

- I'm just waking up. I'm sufficiently complicit in Enlio that turning in enl scrapers can't be my game, I don't have enough credibility. I'm working on that, but I probably should have left way way earlier.