- I'm just kind of finally catching up here. What is it that we want to do with Reddit? I have a couple of alts but not any that have posted on /r/ingress

- I bet things could be arranged so that a drunk Quarkgent blows his own whistle

- I'm in favor of showing our hand (if we had the capability to do so) at the same time that we blow up the Res engine

- I'm not talking about anomalies. I couldn't be further removed from anomalykind if I tried. I'm talking about putting their GH factory into the spotlight

- Gotcha. Just that I'd called it their engine and then you said anomaly engine. Wanted to be clear.

- When the sinkhole opens up, you two can come stay at my place.

- Liam Neeson memes would be the correct format for this, I think

- 😂😂 Spat my coffee.

- This just came up in TGR the other day

- Supposedly consuming fresh pineapple can help with conception. I don't understand how that's supposed to work. Never heard anyone say the same about kiwis.

- Back to the actual real topic: I really don't see any problem with using this info in a way that compromises RES composure just before an anomaly as long as we lay our cards on the table at the same time

- Yeah but the girls aren't the ones making the swimmers.

- Why's this?

- The fuck is Russell and why don't I remember it?

- Hm, ok. It sounds vaguely familiar. I think I saw Hangouts screenshots at some point

- Thanks. Will check this out later

- Primarily Reddit here

- G+ is terribad

- I'm confused about why we seem to be populating the spreadsheet twice. Second time is full alphabetical order?

- [[Photo]]Screenshot (Oct 17, 2017 8:49:15 PM)

- Page numbers go up and then suddenly they jump to 69 and start going down

- When I come back from kid bedtime I'll try to get on PC

- Some of these folks are on the list more than once. I assume that's due to logging on and off while WB was screenshotting...

- Once it's all in the sheet, sort ign column by name?

- This is moving so fast I can't keep up, and of course my kid is needy af tonight

- rollind20 (421) rings a bell but I don't know why. Local to someone in Aurora maybe?

- Do we want a #radar tab in the sheet?

- Ugh, wow, poptart. Quarkgent was all about that

- It feels to me like being on the Omnivore list is more damning than simply being in the #bot slack. Is that way off base?

- Right.

- I see the Omnivore thing as much more of a ringleader/candyman thing

- .... All of us in this group? Or enl in general?

- Those have been there for at least an hour though?

- The radar docs, I mean

- Radar tab is on the spreadsheet now, fwiw. Is someone checking the overlap of agent names among the lists?

- Ok cool. I can't prioritize learning to do that tonight. Gotta go clean my kitchen so I can go to sleep before 1

- How did you get into radar chats?

- I'm still not seeing it

- Oh I thought you were talking about the chat

- That's accurate enough though. It doesn't show up on standard player tracker.

- Fwiw, the exact wording in the TOS as it currently reads is "extract, scrape, or index the Services or Content (including information about users or game play)" ... this is in the "you agree not to do any of the following" section

#tos

- It's been mentioned that we get a trolly domain name. Won't they be able to do a lookup and see who registered it?

- Hm ok. It's been a long time since I had a domain name

- Sock puppet g+ account?

- I could probably write something sufficiently detached

- Timmaaay with 3 As

- Dramaticlemur

- Euruproktos

- Nachometalista

- Valkryria

- Blueblitzkreig

- Coximus
And looks like clgtide (p57 of the bot list)

- Why not just make it an anonymous g+ page with one post containing the info? Easy enough, and lends itself well to sharing

- Rather than making a website

- Ok, understood

- Smurfs.willbe.blue?

- Smurf tears, idk

- Ah, that makes sense

- So do we just want an intro blurb like "On 17 October 2017, some information about Resistance TOS-violating practices was revealed to Enlightened agents. Among this information was a collection of screenshots of Resistance Slack channels that employ comm-scraping for several reasons, including, but not limited to:
- Guardian portal lookup requests by agent
- Deployment of mods on portals
- etc, etc"
?

- And from there we provide the list of res names involved

- Noting vanguards and Niantic employees

- That's pretty solid. At first glance (why the actual fuck does my phone predict "glans" instead of "glance?") I would tweak a couple of minor grammar things, but all the info is there and succinct

- Hrm. Could we use "riot" in the website URL, like "riot act" or "run riot" etc?

- If I had any brain power left tonight I would love to take a crack at trying to add some of this into what @theprevaricator posted. I can give it a shot tomorrow if it's not finalized yet

- I think... do we want more of an intro than just "Riot is a database..." ?

- It may be important to lead with WHY the scraping this is bad

- I wonder if it would be .... something good words y and goodwill-like... to post screenshots of ~comparable ENL things if we're acknowledging that both sides do it

- 👍

- Realistically I won't get to it until late tomorrow morning, and I feel like that'll be too late
.....18.10.2017 02:30:03, Charlie Arnold: >>unsupported service message type: messageActionPinMessage<<

- I like this distinction.

- ☝️☝️

#tos

- At some point I posted the text in here of the bullet point right after that too. Like.... What they are doing is just blatantly against TOS

- There's no way to dispute that.

- The fact that we have screenshots of the "radar" channels showing that they monitor/scrape data from SO many regions is what makes me ragey. It's so widespread.

- The widespread nature of it is really more bothersome to me than the list of specific names.

- There's something I can't articulate yet about the notion of "we knew they had a network" etc making the specific names on the list almost irrelevant. Maybe it'll take shape after coffee.

- Maybe not, but we have strong evidence that they are flouting TOS

- They are collecting money for the purpose of running servers to scrape data.

- They spell it out.

- Does anyone have the patreon description handy? I don't

- [[Photo]]Screenshot (Oct 18, 2017 8:04:51 AM)

- Not the patreon itself; I haven't gone to the page. But this PDF -- it makes specific reference to scanning

- And then the other sheet that lists the "benefits" you get with different donation tiers

- Put that right beside a screenshot of the TOS that says "you agree not to do this stuff" and, well.

- If we're not looking to out WB then the sources are kind of .... not irrelevant, but. @Aneristic your objection is that this PDF didn't come from the same source as the rest of our info?

- Sorry, that was all inside out. I'm still basically asleep.

- "unsanctioned tool" is a slippery slope. Iitc is unsanctioned but it's even more widespread than this res scraping business. I could see Nia making the absolute wrong move and banning everyone who has ever used iitc

- Because if we give them the slightest bit of space to fuck things up for enl, they will

- Lol I live pedantic af. Bring it

- This is really going hand in hand with a lot of recent guardian discussion and I want to tie it together but the concrete evidence isn't there on the guardian end

- Absolutely agree.

- If you haven't, take a look at the Radar Channels folder in the images directory. Area names and number of members in each channel -- that seems like useful evidence

- This is my angle of choice

- It exists in the screenshot of the channel lists and has 93 members. Is that not enough for reasonable suspicion?

- Only a list of names for each of the three major apps? Or just one big list?

- If we just had one exhaustive list we won't even need a spreadsheet. Could just be text

- Hey is RIOT an acronym?

- It feels like it must be

- Lol.

- Well, if he misses it, that's not our problem. The clock was ticking. Will have been ticking.

- A couple of minor edits:

"We recently received information documenting a large RES scraper network. Niantic employees, investors, Vanguards, and anomaly POCs are identified among those agents involved. We will release the information sometime after noon on Thursday the 19th. The team agreed that we should provide you a chance to prepare."

- Do you have access to the documents?

- Are we? I thought we were just going to post the same g+ message without tagging people

- I don't understand what this hex key is

- I assume so, but I don't know what it's used for

- That's very vague. We at least need to mention that they are resistance agents in trusted roles

- Yes, but it just sounds really abrupt.

- [[GIF, size 597'823 bytes]]

- 👍

- 🔔

- Why was Ozzy on the history channel?

- That's why I deleted my DM to him 😅

- That answers the question of what that hex key is....

- {{FWD: DELETED, 18.10.2017 15:32:37}}
No image needed, every account has a specific guid attached. So every action you do via your scanner I can collect by using your guid.

- Whoa what? I just woke up from quick a nap

- Something happened already ?

- Sounds like it

- Is there an elegant way to hide IGNs of people who want them on there? Like how Niantic would hide a passcode?

- DMing

- My WordPress login is the same as my agent name. That won't make a difference for simply viewing, will it?

- I really wanted to DM that guy and give him a heads up

- Yes

- I'm limited to mobile until later tonight. Can work on writing content then if necessary

- "mod deployment, notably VRLA"

- "mod deployment of (mods)" sounds like the dept of redundancy dept

- 👍

- Perfectionists gonna perfectionise

- I was thinking maybe a table with a few columns, but it's still gonna be long af

- YES

- [[GIF, size 14'005 bytes]]

- "click here for a list of all agents involved" or whatever
#notes

- Take it sleazy

- [[GIF, size 76'206 bytes]]

- Use frames and have it ALWAYS THERE at the top

- Weak flow sounds like a side effect of certain medicines and something that may be worth a doctor visit

- (sorry)

- centralized *within

- I don't think they realize how much data can be scraped, even if they have some idea of what scraping is. RIOT is intimidatingly ridiculous

- Like an inline link or whatever that stuff was? With hashtags?

- I just tried to get to the site on my computer and I think for some reason it generated another access request

- Agreed. Bold headings, not underline. Underline looks... weird

- If I point out Minor Text Fixes ™ that need to be made, they are going to get lost in here like crazy.

- #edit #notes

Omnivore page:
- Capitalization needs attention. ADA should be in all caps, chat platforms named need capitals at the beginning of their names (and I think GroupMe also has a capital M?)

- Wording:
"This allows the data to be shared with local players, giving them the ability to ..."

"The ADA bot responds to the following commands:" [image]

Evidence galleries:
- photos do not display at the same size -- is there a way to fix this so they are all the same? Three to a row is still legible, and clicking on an image enlarges it
- "click to expand" should maybe be "Click on an image to enlarge"

- ☝️ #vanguard

- #edit #notes for home page:

"Here are some examples. Click an image to enlarge."
OR
"Here are some examples: [line break]
[smaller text](Click an image to enlarge)"

"Here is an example of the system in action." (remove superfluous "it")
☝️ Either make this whole thing a link to Anatomy Of or make "here is an example" a link. Looks awkward as is.

- Lol. I don't know if I have design sense, but I think the serif font is too busy here

- What's the one used for the "the inner workings of an Ingress scraping network" part? Could that be used throughout?

- The serif Xs in the table are particularly jarring to me

- Yeah. I have a couple of #edit #notes posts I was editing but I'm sure they are lost in the shuffle by now. I think I commented on those facets too

- Calibri?

- Much better!

- For the table... There is too much text in the headers and I'm kicking around a couple of suggestions because I don't know what is going to look better. Everyone please feel free to comment.

1) keep the names with the hashtags -- Bot, Omnivore, etc (not hashtagging them here because it's not necessary for them to actually be links here) -- the same size as they are now and have a description of each in smaller text below each of those in its cell

2) only have the hashtag names in the headers and have a legend with the descriptions right above the table

- LOOKS SO GOOD NOW 💚

- Is it possible to center the Xs in the cells, at least horizontally?

And also the headers

- Am I? I shouldn't be

- I don't even have the thing open anymore

- My phone keyboard and the "suggest changes" thing had a fight. Sorry about that

- I don't even

- I think either way is fine?

- @theprevaricator line breaks on the riot.one page also need to be tightened up

- Lol. This checks out

- REALLY sorry to point out something else, but the bottom image on the "anatomy of a hit" page doesn't embiggen... should it?

- Single image (the one with the stock intel comms)

- That's strange to me that it handles images so rigidly like that

- It's just that the comms text is too small to read easily

- And the timestamps are super relevant

- [[💋 Sticker, size 16'942 bytes]]

- Are we tinyurl-ing the site?

- Puzzlingly -- and there may be a perfectly good explanation for this, code wise -- when a page of the site first loads, just for a split second, it's in the font from before and then it turns into the current sans-serif font

- It seems to happen on every page, on both computer and phone

- It doesn't affect the functionality of the site

- Just odd.

- Riot.one gallery is not linked from the evidence page yet

- I do see it in the menu

- 👍

- [[Photo]]RIOT capitalization

- Sorry. 😅 Sidebar menu and evidence page should match though. (all caps is correct?)

- Huh, yes. That was my edit suggestion before my phone decided it wouldn't handle edit suggestion mode

- Good thinking

- TLDR: RIOT is stalkerier than we realized

- ☝️☝️

- Uniform

- Most-visited does need a hyphen here.

- Regarding the table: If there's any way to use html, we could make the default text positioning centered and then individually move the agent names back to the left. It'd be a pain in the ass but I could help with it

- I see that now

- On the riot.one page, should we expand on "Accessing the GUID requires scanner emulation" a little bit? People may see that and wonder what it means. Even just a simple parenthetical thing like "(using a computer to simulate the scanner interface)" ... Thoughts?

- Because that immediately starts to scratch the surface of using a computer to act as a scanner and slips right down to spoofing

- @Semiotiq ☝️☝️

- That works

- 1h59m until go time

- I'm on that

- Those are individual views, I think. They'd have to be

- It did that to me too

- Is the URL for linking going to be the WordPress url, or are we doing a tinyurl?

- ☝️

- Sooooo... push it now?

- Tried calling him. no answer

- Same

- What's TTL?

- Not showing up

- [[Webpage]]https://www.reddit.com/r/Ingress/comments/77f6jv/scraperguardian_hunting_info_site_this_is_nuts/

- Please LMK if that Reddit link is working. Not showing up in new posts on the sub

- Yes

- Cool, thanks

- It's not showing up for me in the list of new posts though

- Is it showing up for anyone else? The link that goes directly to it will work, but if people who aren't us can't find it that's kind of weird

- Lol I've had this in my head too 😂

- The info is out there for Niantic to do something with. There are a lot of agents who are being very vocal now about how much this is Not Okay. Niantic should respond in SOME way. If they do (which they may not, because this is Niantic after all) then that's effecting change

- How crucial is it that we change our passwords to things? I mentioned that to my husband and he just kind of stared and me and went ".... why would you need to change passwords? You didn't log into anything..."

- But the emails are because someone was trying to get into the website ... They weren't attacking any of us personally

- Yes, it redirects

- But to change passwords to things outside of Google seems unnecessary

- Isn't that a Squiggles alt?

- I thought he was always pinging Dan and Irascor with stupid things implying that they were on dates or whatever

- Also, goddammit. Sorry @TheRealVedorian

- [[GIF, size 45'086 bytes]]

- I have not thought about this in forever and now I can't get over the adorableness

- Story of my life. And, the reason I'm up at midnight with a sink full of dishes I've been not doing all evening

- Oh are we doing sleep gifs?

- [[GIF, size 103'453 bytes]]

- Omg this is the best

- Elaborate?

- Is it safely accessible?

- Is the name accurate?

- I mean I guess we have one of those portals not far from Pittsburgh....

- (I don't know if it's a gazebo, but you do need a boat to get to it)

- Upon watching the scene, I don't think the gazebo is actually surrounded by water on all sides

- Yep

- I want to put one in front of my grandparents' house. They'd have thought having one was cool. My sister lives there now and she's on board as long as it can look like a TARDIS

- Once it's made, I'm totally submitting it

- [[GIF, size 20'161 bytes]]

- .... Becoming sleep

- IDK, gif fail

- @Crewellye there's so much to catch up on. Shaperspeed, agent

- I just think they ought to remove the whole damn stat from the game. Stat line gone. Badges gone.

- And not say a thing about it

- They can call it "minor text fixes"in the patch notes 😂

- 😂👍

- YES. They've always been SO BAD at "challenge the ruling on the field" -- everything. Portal denials. Portal appeals. Erroneous bans. They don't give a specific reason in the first place and when you ask for clarification you get no answer.

- What did you have in mind for this?

- Adding a page to the website that points to pay-for-info?

- Oooo. Good call.

- If y'all need a quick grammar edit on copy, I can help. DM me because I don't have notifications on for groups.

- Placeholder

- Rio5, if that wasn't known

- I didn't see her, but I wasn't looking specifically

- What, you tripped? Fell? Landed on his 🍆?

- What's the format for a riot lookup? I'm playing catch-up in so many chats I don't know where to find it

- [[Webpage]]http://teespring.com/riot-at-the-brokers-guild

- Can we make this circulate please?

- Lol

- [[Webpage]]https://www.reddit.com/r/Ingress/comments/77oxiz/outside_the_brokers_guild_who_are_the_brave

- What do? Ignore?

- Where's the spreadsheet with the links?

- Should this be pinned?

- Wow.

- Next AMA 😂

- A local Smurf just told me he's on that slack but not in any of the offending channels. I find that interesting and I wonder how many users there are in that Slack who are playing a clean game

- Inliketim.

- Yeah.

- [[GIF, size 123'929 bytes]]

- Hahaha. I'd love to spin up an email like RedPenGrammarPedant@gmail or something and write him back asking what is illegal about a map

- Says right there: "gave me a map that can't be legal."

- Is that an agent?

- Is this person looking to see who pings @appastair on comms?

- Because don't

- "it looks a lot like riot" ... how are we supposed to know that?

- This one checks out

- {{FWD: Jemstar (15/~PIT <span class="emoji emoji-spritesheet-3" style="background-position: -486px -36px;" title="us">:us:</span>), 20.10.2017 22:44:10}}
[[Webpage]]Portal: The Sun Does Not Shine (Intel)
Google Maps
MAPS.ME
Waze
1103 Ruby Vista Drive, Elko, NV 89801, USA
Coordinates: 40.846286,-115.773353

- (I went for the first one in the list that looked like it had a unique enough name to return quickly. I can look up a couple of others if we think there's a need for it)

- Should we save the list and check back later?

- Heh ok, I guess so

- Res

- @theprevaricator I requested access to your list

- Not necessarily. Someone could just pass the info along to someone else

- A broker, whatever

- Um
Did I request access to the real map then?😱

- I don't even know what that site is

- Did anyone else in here have access to that site he linked?

- Is it possible he's just locked down access to everyone who isn't in some immediate close circle?

- What does OG mean here?

- This middle paragraph is 100% true for me as well.

- Regarding a "sensible statement:" Would it be enough for them just to specifically say that players agree that they will not run their own servers for the scraping of game data? I don't know how that all works but I know that part of the RIOT problem is that they're using their own servers to do the thing

- I heard this as well but can't confirm any of it

- Lol. I made grammar edits and a Reddit post. Not the pinnacle of usefulness here either

- I'm upset and scared that things were being leaked intentionally, but I'm on board for future work with this. At least for now.