- Hi gang.

- I heard you needed someone with a doctorate in shit talking on reddit.

- πŸ˜‚

- if one of you doesn't already have an appropriate sock puppet account on reddit, might I encourage you to make one? it requires a history of a few successful posts for posts from a new user to automagically appear

- if you go down the reddit route, the shitheel mod will undoubtedly delete the post, even if you black out names. so you'd also want to strategically think about how to leak the information.

- social media is a meta, CQ.

- I think the validity of these will be challenged regardless of whether or not they're valid.

- Any chance of obtaining more? Like a wealth of them? A user list?

- that's the information from the scrapergate we dealt with

- [[Webpage]]full screenshot dump: https://imgur.com/a/V5BN6

- Because Krug or any other individual at Niantic is unable to do much, if anything, about this.

- And as Semi notes, every reason to keep it covered up.

- Member list of that channel. Keep in mind that "regular" players may be insulated from this. Keep your witch hunt specific. XD

- I think it's likely that both the bot and the database are not local.

- Or only exist locally.

- No judgement here, but you may find the goal of upsetting the RES anomaly engine and revealing ENL issues to be incompatible with one another if the two happen simultaneously.

- So I'd suspect you'd probably want to get your general ducks in a row regarding targeting the same outcome.

- I'm a big fan of burn it all to the ground, just pointing out a tension.

- Not just speaking about you. When goals were discussed earlier, it was noted that the timing of the release may affect their anomaly planning.

- Eh, depends on what you define as "news cycle". Probably about a week, roughly.

- I suspect we felt the effects a bit longer locally.

- We released the day we received our information. We discussed the value of disruption briefly and agreed that it might have a negative effect on their anomaly performance. We flagged RES leadership 48 hours in advance. No action was taken, so we released the information.

- I'm not. If you were taught this was normative from the moment you started, including "everyone does it," and "it's part of the game," why would it blow up?

- That seems to be the lukewarm response we got.

- You've got at least one now. πŸ˜‚

- I'd encourage you to embrace occam's razor with regard to trustworthiness.

- What's easier to imagine? A bent person flipping infosec allegiance, or a bent person carefully collecting, photoshopping and curating false or misleading intel.

- Ain't nobody got time for that. But each of us can probably name off pissed off folks that had access to our chats and have used secure information against us after flipping (looking at you, Itso.)

- just use two drives

- one between him and wb, one between him and us

- sure, w/e

- word of advice: try to get as many *uncropped* images as you can

- (obvs crop out agent name, but this was a point of critique...you defeat the point with a flood of caps)

- I'd also point out that Sarah wasn't the main release, just the first one I found. I would argue that the Reddit release saw a *lot* more folks, but I think the imugr collection actually saw the most play (as most avenues including Sarah and Reddit) linked to it.

- I may have been the reddit post. I'd kill to remember what the fuck the password was on that account. XD

- *banned from r/ingress

- just click through to the screenshots

- "48 hour erase" is interesting functionality, wow.

- Most of the Seattle RES appear to have stopped playing at this point. They had trouble recovering since Obsidian, but Persepolis + all your leadership are dirty cheaters pretty much sealed the deal.

- mostly the DFCs packed up and went home, but they were also the folks propping up the standing MU

- On paid or unpaid?

- So sit on that one for a second.

- How do you afford to pay the user-fee for 600 folks?

- Education = $2/user

- (source: has an education plan at current employment)

- Oh hey look our known scrapers coming up

- Ahhhhh Portland RES POC selection making some sense now that I'm reading this list.

- oh man, some old favorites showing up from PNW scrapergate on this list

- wait stego?

- like the vanguard stego? do I have that right?

- Lasted well enough for this long

- When you feel a game is sunsetting (even if only for you) , there is an uptick in willingness to give up secrets.

- His flip makes much more sense in light of this.

- Welp, answers the question about leadership on the members list

- Sorry just 13MR

- so Krug AMA, huh?

- Bummer. Maybe that's what it takes to get Niantic to fucking do something.

- Fair.

- Nah.

- Disclose. It's what responsible adults do.

- Appropriate response I'd love to see Niantic adopt

- This game feeds the dopamine loop. I'm not sure the backlash matters

- Lol you didn't have to ask

- Cool. Are we supposed to have allegiance here?

- Because, like, I don't.

- "we" is a pretty sketchy term. I've turned down access to both.

- Sounds like you're an excellent candidate for wb on our side

- Get on it.

- So what do you perceive as our job?

- Burn everything.

- I'm a big fan of "light everything on fire, let the institution sort it out"

- You're a wonderful representative of protecting the status quo? Is that how we're doing assigning folks to boxes? ;)

- I'd burn you for not saying a thing previously

- With all due respect.

- Probably time to consider your presence in those rooms.

- This

- Thankfully you have time to grow a spine. So fix it.

- Or alternatively, folks here want to go after enl offerings

- Not all of us are just kids with access to enl scraping shit. πŸ˜‚

- Have to wonder at which point you wind up in a similar screenshot

- Yup. We grew up in different contexts. I would be booted from my community for that, but w/e

- Hopefully someone being fem forward

- Save for the all vrla function, I guess?

- Forbes

- Sounds like a great argument for faster release

- jesus, I'm scared of your workplace. πŸ˜‚

- I'm not sure there's a viable way for anyone with advance notice to control the narrative.

- It's not like you can mitigate a boatload of screenshots and documents.

- I mean, I can't even conceive of a "worst case scenario" where they could usefully circumvent a raw data dump. Maybe I'm short-sighted.

- Like "some bad actors" doesn't work with a 900 person member list.

- Eh, I'd caution you against letting bloodlust rule your decisionmaking.

- And that's coming from someone who *really* loves to light shit on fire.

- but y'know

- [[πŸ‘Ά Sticker, size 49'844 bytes]]

- Yeah, I'm trying to give that fear an honest shake, but I can't creatively conceive of something that would mitigate it. Help me out.

- πŸ’―

- I agree with this statement.

- I don't have the ability to do so - lost the password to my sock account and work busy all day

- Also when you push, aim for 9am. statistically more likely to get social media views.

- I'd like in that group chat. I'm at a work event but checking in

- That's not quite right. The API is what feeds your scanner apps as well.

- Yay I'm off work

- Especially if this is presented as normal

- And honestly, with 900 people

- How could you not see it as normal?

- Righteous indignation is a hell of a drug.

- They have devs in chat ffs

- Is like Joe Philley talking about how cool drones are

- Names on the roster. "These are facts, here's what they are."

- that's not actually a callout, that's just a visualization

- re: notes we're avoiding personal identifying information

- as a heads up

- Can I get a link? Haven't found it in the pin.

- invite request sent

- Nah. I like direct links and your suggestion regarding the post. Porque no los dos

- Sunnywoods was the poc that replaced rogue and thepfk

- Also in your notes column

- [[πŸ˜‚ Sticker, size 46'702 bytes]]

- You want to tell us exactly what happened?

- I missed it.

- I assume you backed it up as well, yeah? Not to teach grandma how to suck eggs

- Get caps and build a website, I'll reshare the shit out of that too.

- The only reason you don't see me resharing caps and website is because most folks know my stance on this and wisely avoid telling me shit about it.

- But more than happy to burn that to the ground as well! :)

- I switched to 2fa.

- πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

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- #bummer

- Turns out that your secret club has secret clubs. Who knew?

- #alwaysacabal

- Had to Google

- #JustTellMeTheRules

- If you get a Niantic response I will be dumbfounded

- I usually don't make it into an acronym.

- I'm happy with clear guidelines

- Tell me what's legit and what's not

- I dig that everyone has different lines on both sides

- And even within a faction

- I just want some consistent rules. πŸ˜‚

- I'd be OK if they said it was OK.

- Like just tell me the rules.

- Too hopeful. You can't block someone at the app or client level, only make it more expensive. And everything is cheap or free these days

- I have faith that a lot of people would play fair if they knew what was fair

- The TOS/"spirit of the game" tension is ridiculous.

- Just tell us what to do.

- It's hard to have foresight in a completely new field

- 300 years is a pretty short period of time for a constitutional document.

- Tech bros also terrible

- Yeah mang. America be young

- Mesopotamia was a minute though

- I'm fine with "tell us the rules"

- These aren't baby stepsπŸ˜‚

- Something enforceable and clearly articulated. If that's "anything goes" or "no spoofing" or "nothing other than UI changes"

- Yeah, rules are pretty boring.

- Oh shit, still on my clipboard paste.

- Yup that's fine

- I really don't care what they are as much as they are defined.

- If they're defined I can decide whether or not I want to playπŸ˜‚

- I think his thoughts on tournament play are useful here

- I'd rather have the mechanic fixed than a gentleman's agreement

- We had someone local get hit at 9:30pm last night

- One of the power couples listed.

- Have another work morning, not going to be responsive until 1

- This

- Happy to crucify cactus

- Please get me screenshots and links

- Burn errybody

- Like seriously

- Like who is your buddy is irrelevant.

- Krug or some unknown. Burn it.

- that must be shit whiskey if irish folk didn't visit it for 2 years.

- πŸ˜‚

- my distillery gets hit 4x/day

- ahhhh, bad luck then!

- a sad tale of gentrification then. I'm missing the connection to this chat room though.

- you didn't get the location from a scraper db, did you? πŸ˜‚

- "Niantic, please clarify your rules."

- The cognitive dissonance is caused by a poor definition of what falls within or outside "the spirit of the game."

- The company chooses to define this in a nebulous fashion that people can take a zillion different ways, while trying to stay within the personal interpretation of those rules.

- Instead of self-flaggelating, or, worse, laying into one another, consider the conditions that are causing the issue.

- The fuzziness of what falls within the bounds of fair play cause these rifts. As near as I can tell, anyhow.

- I haven't had an active installation for about 6 months now?

- around the time they switched to slack iirc.

- circle the wagons!

- πŸ˜‚