- /shrug that was inevitable.

- I talked to Erich, and he's ok. He just needed to be somewhere else for a while.

- Yes and it's no reason to panic

- Ok good

- I hope he is ok

- I think he is. Just protecting sanity.

- Do we know that there are leaks tho?

- He's had a hell of a day x 3 days

- We know Krug/NIA Ops got a heads up

- But that's not a leak

- Well, that was more of an intentional leak

- KNOW? no, but it's inevitable. We haven't really been on lockdown since we went live. This group is large, and the people are wellc connected. People are talking, which was to be expected.

- We know the technological sophistication of our opponents in riot

- We know they mad bro

- We know they are actively attacking whatever edge they can find

- NIA ops got about a 12 hour heads up. Specifically, one op. Krug got 24 hours

- I think it's entirely possible the Aussie sent that email to more places than just the website email.

- I think it's likely that they will be trying hard to stir us up behind the scenes

- Sew doubt and paranoia

- We've been talking about a few days of the inevitability that the people on this endeavor will get attacked. If you haven't switched to two-factor authentication on all of your things yet, please get on that.

- It's their playbook

- Yes for sure

- I have no idea what he got removed from but I'm sure he does need a break at the least. He's been working super hard for this.

- Yes. We're on a fine course. Leaks are happening, and that's fine. We knew what we were getting into, and we're doing good work for good reasons.

- Sorry my brain hurts, I'm probably still using the wrong homonym

- Lock your shit down ,and if you're not comfortable being here, feel free to take your leave with neither harm nor foul.

- hertz :)

- I think we should not frame them as leaks though

- Side effects, yes fine

- Yes, that's a good read. Leaks connotes negatively.

- 👍

- People are talking. They had the freedom to do so, and we all knew that.

- Yes

- Everything will be fine

- It will be, but this is a high-stakes game, on two fronts:

1) We're putting ourselves in a position to be targeted by smart, technologically capable, mean-spirited people who would like to hurt us

2) Word about what we think and say is getting out to ENL influencers who might have a lot to lose if they get exposed doing Bad Shit.

So, it's a predictable phase change. Consider where you sit with that and proceed accordingly.

- Definitely outed by this room, probably set up, if he was competently set up then the particular Australian is a patsy.

- The metaphor I came up with reading the backscroll tonight is NATO Nuclear Sharing. I apologize for the incoming wall of text about Cold War geopolitics.

- Back in the Bad Old Days of the 1960s and 1970s, the United States asserted that all norms and treaties about nuclear non-proliferation were dead letters if there was ever a general war in Europe. If the Soviets came through the Fulda Gap, we were handing dozens of nukes each to about ten different countries.

- This was a terrifying threat, because it left the fate of multicellular life on Earth in the hands of whichever NATO head of government was *least* stable.

- Also, some of those NATO countries were more likely to use nukes on each other than the Russians. Looking at you, Greece and Turkey.

- Anyway, I am sitting in a room of 40 people who have all just been handed nuclear weapons. People are starting to have panic reactions. Anyone who hasn't found a mole in here to tell them what's going on is incompetent. 40 person rooms are inherently insecure.

- Charlie disagrees with this vehemently, and that's OK.

- Says I'm verified but nothing there

- But at this point, I think I need to run for cover. I hope we do get to burn something green that's worth burning, like cactus or enl.wtf, and not ordinary anomaly tools, but this is not a forum which can do that.

- I haven't seen any reason to think someone in here is actively leaking. I'm sure some things are being talked about. I'm sure other people in other places are having reactions. But EWBF
.....21.10.2017 00:59:31, Michael Noda [GreatNorthern, PHL <span class="emoji emoji-spritesheet-3" style="background-position: -486px -36px;" title="us">:us:</span>]: >>left group<<

- I had access to the same thing Erich did. I do not see any tools anymore. It's been said I have been under the radar. Nobody knew I was involved except in here

- oh no, 40 person rooms are definitely inherently insecure :)

- We may disagree about the extent to which that is ok.

- Is it possible he's just locked down access to everyone who isn't in some immediate close circle?

- It is. I lost access as well.

- Yeah most likely a universal freeze

- He said he received messages from someone he trusts on the matter

- I am...not sure I ever had access, but I don't now.

- I'm not familiar but if I had tools and had doubts I'd lock them down temporarily too

- And the people be removed were removed because of it

- It wasn't everyone. Only certain people.

- Well maybe now we can finally have that faction-wide conversation about what tools are ok.

- He thinks there's a chance that some people only got access to infiltrate and expose the tools

- I'm sorry

- It's late, that was glib

- At this point, it is appropriate for everyone here to assume that the members of this room and probably most of the contents of the chat of this room have been released within ENL OG circles.

- What does OG mean here?

- We're saying SCARY THINGS and various people are freaking out to one another about it.

If you care about currying favor or maintaining a pristine reputation within the faction, now is probably the time to cut bait.

- Old guard?

- By the way, what's the cutoff year for OG?

- Eh. Old guard gatekeepers. Perennial anomaly orga.

- *shrug* it's a convenience term, you know that.

- it doesn't really bear picking apart.

- I am not afraid of my standing in the faction. I am not seeking power. I don't need tools access if I am on an ENL blacklist somehow and get access revoked.

- Apparently people have been sharing screenshots out of the ops chat too. I'm not involved in that. That along with whatever he was told has them all paranoid

- But to have those of us who are in anomaly ops get access revoked is too convenient.

- I can understand being scared as a developer if some of what's been said in here was shared. It's a justifiable defensive move. Has anyone thought about responding to the developer directly?

- Yes. We have deeply entrenched factional prejudices against information sharing and supporting the sancticty of tools.

This isn't any one thing. It's a collection of signals hitting critical mass and setting off spidey senses, I think.

- ugh that seems impossibly tedious.

- I mean, if someone wants to tackle it, that's fine, but I think it probably does more harm than good.

- At the moment, he only suspects people of being involved. If one of us approached him, it would be confirmed and I don't think he would be convinced that we aren't trying to steal or expose them

- Here's the thing: if people are going to freak the fuck out about what we're doing, we need to just be ok with that and let them.

- If you're shy about getting cut from stuff, get outta here. That end of things is going to get way worse before it gets better.

- We've talked frankly about our willingness to expose wrongfooted ENL tools. That word is circulating. It's going to have repercussions.

- Ok here's my thing:. If someone in here is not comfortable with what we are doing, then they should say so and get out. Not run around telling things to other people

- I don't feel any enlightened anomaly operating tools are crossing any lines at all. They aren't an issue in the least.

- This. To tell someone that there are people who want to expose those tools is ridiculous

- It's not what people are being told, it's what people responsible for those tools are choosing to interpret.

- This stuff is easy for me to say. I'm not an anomaly operator, nor will I ever be. I don't have any skin in that game.

- I didn't mean as a group though. We've got a range of opinions in here for which tools are okay and which are not, as well as what the reporting threshold is or should be. If you're an anomaly operator with access to anomaly tools, and you want to preserve that connection, maybe it would be worthwhile approaching the dev(s) to explain your position.

- ENL nation already assumes I'm not to be trusted with tools, and I'm fine with that.

- My honest read is that if you're an anomaly operator with access to anomaly tools, you should probably get outta here if you have a commitment to preserving that privilege.

We have a deep, hard culture of rigidly protecting the sanctity of tools. The position I've taken on that sort of thing is going to rub off on everyone, and the paranoia wave is going to spread fast.

- And I'm fine with being in here even though I'm not Semi

- My definition of cheating does not include the tools we use to fly megafields, or the tools I use to win anomalies. There's no need to drive a wedge between those of us who operate anomalies and those who haven't

- Whether we want to preserve that or not is past being an issue. It is apparently already known that I'm here so leaving doesn't do any good. I simply wish that whoever felt the need to say anything outside of here would've had the decency to stand up.

If I thought anomaly tools were needing reported, I wouldn't be an anomaly op. Period.

- Well, I feel like we accomplished what we initially set out to do; expose a worldwide resistance cheating syndicate.

I have never been aware of any of these enlightened tools that people are saying cross the line. Heck, I didn't even know their names until people typed them here. Since I'm not in any of those places, and have no information about them, I won't be helpful in that phase of this campaign if that's where it's headed.

I've never used a tool I felt was sketchy. All the anomaly tools are above board and not in question. I feel absolutely comfortable using them, and would never betray the trust shared with me by fellow operators and tool developers by sharing those tools outside of the appropriate groups.

- yeah. I'm not trying to do that. If I came off that way, please forgive me.

- We and a lot of other people have had a long, hard week. Some people are having a hard moment, late at night on a Friday. If you have the space in your heart to breathe and let it be for a little while, I think things will settle down

- We win anomalies. I'd like for us to keep doing that.

- 💚

- Well said, sir

- I guess I'm at a bit of a loss at how to properly describe the people on Green Team who are going to feel threatened by what we're doing, but I know they exist. "perennial anomaly orga" wasn't the best label. That's not really it.

- *sigh* I care about you guys and I don't want you to end up losing access to things you might care about as a result of jumping on a train like this. Things that make sense for me might not make sense for everyone else.

- Aww, thanks, Charlie

- I'm not leaving but I need to step away. I'm so beyond irritated. Not at losing access to tools but at the thought that someone in a trusted group said or did something that resulted in the loss instead of speaking up. Idk if that's truly the case but it feels like it

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