2017-10-20 19:26:37 - Charlie Arnold NA or global?

2017-10-20 19:27:05 - matt - deaf1 - maine Na

2017-10-20 19:27:39 - matt - deaf1 - maine Not my place to say anything though

2017-10-20 19:28:35 - Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30) Off to check NA

2017-10-20 19:31:39 - Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US) So

2017-10-20 19:31:42 - Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US) What if Niantic said

2017-10-20 19:32:05 - Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US) "we don't want the server load from 3-6 competing botnets scraping us"

2017-10-20 19:32:10 - Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US) We will permit one

2017-10-20 19:32:36 - Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US) And they just let it go because it's quiet.

2017-10-20 19:32:46 - Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US) And moderately useful

2017-10-20 19:33:07 - Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US) And no one else goes and tries to do it

2017-10-20 19:33:10 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) That would be malfesance of a level I'm skeptical about.

2017-10-20 19:33:17 - Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US) One perfect database is all the world needs

2017-10-20 19:33:26 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) It would require someone to think "well, doesn't matter if only Res have access."

2017-10-20 19:33:28 - Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US) I know it's conspiratorial

2017-10-20 19:33:37 - Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US) Our stuff has been down too.

2017-10-20 19:33:38 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) I have a competing theory!

2017-10-20 19:33:41 - Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US) Don't know about wtf

2017-10-20 19:33:48 - Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US) But a bunch of stuff is down

2017-10-20 19:34:13 - Cate [Intoku, WA, 🇺🇸] Yes?

2017-10-20 19:34:13 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) What if, several years ago, Philley was sitting around in a BRRN meeting

2017-10-20 19:34:31 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) And wother (cause I dislike him a lot) spun a bunch of words at him

2017-10-20 19:34:39 - Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US) [[GIF, size 66'504 bytes]]

2017-10-20 19:34:45 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) And Philley, who knows jack all about tech, said "Yeah, that sounds fine."

2017-10-20 19:36:39 - Scott Lykens (@5parkee) Forgive me for speaking ill of the dead but Philley was a worthless cheater too.

2017-10-20 19:37:13 - Pongolyn | Seattle, WA Also known locally as the "Joe Philley Rule of Cool"

2017-10-20 19:41:08 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) I have strong opinions about the man.

2017-10-20 19:42:10 - Charlie Arnold Let's...take it real easy on that one. It's a charged topic, and not immediately relevant to the current conversation.

2017-10-20 19:42:19 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) Yup.

2017-10-20 19:42:23 - Charlie Arnold I trust that if anyone has a difference of opinion on that score, they'll take it to DMs

2017-10-20 20:37:29 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) The Radar Patreon has been altered slightly; there are no goals listed and you can't see the total amount collected.

2017-10-20 20:38:33 - Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30) They altered it after the WP site was updated this morning?

2017-10-20 20:38:56 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) Yep.

2017-10-20 20:40:13 - Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30) Oh hmm think they'll try saying "it doesn't say that. The site is lying and making up stuff now"

2017-10-20 20:40:42 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) No, I think someone's twitch-reacting to everything we do and freaking out. It's awesome.

2017-10-20 20:44:07 - Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30) It is pretty funny

2017-10-20 20:45:36 - Jemstar (15/~PIT 🇺🇸) Wow.

2017-10-20 20:45:58 - matt - deaf1 - maine so im reading this is an nia employee too

2017-10-20 20:46:00 - Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30) So far, all the comments from the offending agents have been reactionary. Building their back story from what we have released. Each new release or development makes them have to alter their story to cover

2017-10-20 20:46:05 - matt - deaf1 - maine with a bunch of people dangling on the balls

2017-10-20 20:46:06 - matt - deaf1 - maine https://plus.google.com/+chrischipmanatx/posts/iVE6pZ3YASw

2017-10-20 20:46:14 - matt - deaf1 - maine I might have been a bit graphic there but boy.

2017-10-20 20:46:44 - Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US) {{FWD: Jana D [Chamyra, GER], 20.10.2017 20:40:47}}
[[Webpage]]Google+ Beitrag von Liberty Naud (LibertyBot2)
https://plus.google.com/112036898906655255371/posts/GiS8fvV9p1z

2017-10-20 20:46:45 - Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US) {{FWD: Jana D [Chamyra, GER], 20.10.2017 20:40:47}}
There is a very interesting comment by Gideon Hallett.

2017-10-20 20:46:51 - Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US) Last comment

2017-10-20 20:48:23 - Cate [Intoku, WA, 🇺🇸] He is NIA, and ENL

2017-10-20 20:48:55 - Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30) He is

2017-10-20 20:50:07 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) Gideon's comment seems to be to be fundamentally accurate.

2017-10-20 20:52:40 - Pongolyn | Seattle, WA Reactive RES can't be proactive posters :)

2017-10-20 20:52:53 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) Keep the OODA loop tight

2017-10-20 20:53:24 - Charlie Arnold This.

Addendum to the top of the 'follow the money' page detailing the changes that were made. Keep it dry.

2017-10-20 20:53:26 - matt - deaf1 - maine ooda?

2017-10-20 20:53:41 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) Observe, Orient, Decide, Act.

2017-10-20 20:53:49 - Charlie Arnold Controlling. The. Narrative.

2017-10-20 20:54:11 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) Observe - see what's going on. Orient - make an informed decision about what your observations mean. Decide - what will you do next? Act - do it.

2017-10-20 20:54:35 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) If you can execute that loop faster than your competition, they must react to you and you will remain a step ahead.

2017-10-20 20:56:15 - Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30) Yea yea

2017-10-20 20:58:00 - Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US) So I just found out

2017-10-20 20:58:06 - Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US) My favorite resistance

2017-10-20 20:58:20 - Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30) Am I to understand his comment is highlighting the very real legal consequences of scraping? It definitely seems to hold water too. In that aspect, can it be said that an enl agent in EU could potentially file a suit against them?

2017-10-20 20:58:40 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) Yes, but I am not holding my breath.

2017-10-20 20:58:44 - Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US) Who is in Boston now, saying goodbye to her favorite res and was going to flip will not be

2017-10-20 20:59:02 - Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30) I'm not either but it's an interesting thought

2017-10-20 20:59:07 - Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US) Because she was on the list and doesn't think enl will ever trust her

2017-10-20 20:59:13 - Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US) With her "reputation"

2017-10-20 20:59:31 - matt - deaf1 - maine she has no idea how we are on this side of the fence.

2017-10-20 20:59:31 - Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US) She told me about the tool before it was public.

2017-10-20 20:59:42 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) FWIW, I would.

2017-10-20 20:59:45 - Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US) And I know she didn't use it nefariously.

2017-10-20 20:59:58 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) I said this somewhere on Reddit. Say you used it, apologize, say you won't do it again? Okay.

2017-10-20 21:00:17 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) Some people don't get that dispensation from me, but the majority, yes.

2017-10-20 21:01:01 - Cate [Intoku, WA, 🇺🇸] This. People make mistakes

2017-10-20 21:01:02 - Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30) That's...idk. We have been saying to other posts of the "I didn't use it to be bad" that they were still in bad company.

2017-10-20 21:01:15 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) That is not the same statement, though.

2017-10-20 21:01:16 - Charlie Arnold Yeah, this is an important position to take for strategic reasons.

We're going to be very glad we do this when we're throwing ENL under the bus.

2017-10-20 21:01:27 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) I don't care why you used it; you apologize and accept responsibility and move on.

2017-10-20 21:01:33 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) If you say "I used it for good and I won't apologize," no.

2017-10-20 21:01:36 - Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US) She was. She knows. I can see the difficulty she has justifying it now.

2017-10-20 21:01:41 - matt - deaf1 - maine wish i had more to offer to throw them under the bus

2017-10-20 21:01:54 - Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30) And how do you trust that the person won't do it again?

2017-10-20 21:02:05 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) What's it cost me?

2017-10-20 21:02:19 - Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US) I like you

2017-10-20 21:02:30 - Charlie Arnold This is culture building. You make the gesture sincerely. You get people to adopt that mentality. Most people who fucked up appreciate this and acculturate.

2017-10-20 21:02:41 - Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30) I would have a difficult time of it. But that's me

2017-10-20 21:02:54 - matt - deaf1 - maine thats how a lot of nasty DC RES switched over to enl.

2017-10-20 21:02:54 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) Yeah, I don't demand everyone adopt my aged hippie Zen-like calm

2017-10-20 21:02:58 - Cate [Intoku, WA, 🇺🇸] I'm not going to give her the keys to my house or something without getting to know her first. No skin off my nose if she's just someone playing Ingress somewhere

2017-10-20 21:02:59 - Charlie Arnold There will be some recidivism, but not as much as you get from any other path.

2017-10-20 21:03:05 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) The trick is I have missions to fall back on

2017-10-20 21:03:06 - matt - deaf1 - maine once they switched they were like omg wtf. this is so much nicer

2017-10-20 21:03:15 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) If everyone in Ingress turns out to be an asshole, I will go hit 4K missions.

2017-10-20 21:03:20 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) I'd miss you but I would be fine.

2017-10-20 21:03:34 - matt - deaf1 - maine gross. you know why? i hate missions.

2017-10-20 21:03:47 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) See, missions are important. They give you a fallnback. 😄 😄 😄 😄

2017-10-20 21:03:59 - matt - deaf1 - maine i wanted to stop at 500. But the girlfriend started way after me. so im doing the other 500 with her in protest.

2017-10-20 21:05:09 - Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30) I get that. It was part of my thinking too. She can switch. Rescind her actions. Very little chance I'll ever interact with her so it's whatever. But...there's another side to it as well. Two views to be had. Enl are welcoming and forgiving, good for us. Enl accept known cheaters and are gullible

2017-10-20 21:05:39 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) Philosophically.

2017-10-20 21:05:44 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) I would so much rather be gullible.

2017-10-20 21:05:56 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) The argument that the Guild members are making: "it's OK because they do it."

2017-10-20 21:06:03 - Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA) I do not give a flying fuck who laughs at me.