2017-10-20 00:55:08 - ollie (@ollietronic) It's hard to have foresight in a completely new field

2017-10-20 00:55:10 - Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30) Defining and enforcing.

2017-10-20 00:55:32 - Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30) Ah ok. Good 😊

2017-10-20 00:56:02 - Charlie Arnold I think we have to accept as a given that enforcing prohibition against scraping is impossible. They literally cannot stop it from happening.

2017-10-20 00:56:04 - Amber Yeary People who wrote the Constitution managed to do it and they were kind of shitty. Some techbros in SF can reach in the well and find something

2017-10-20 00:56:07 - Charlie Arnold spoofing, maybe a little

2017-10-20 00:57:01 - Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30) If they set consequences for actions and follow thru with them when given evidence of a rule break, it's not that hard.

2017-10-20 00:57:47 - Cate [Intoku, WA, 🇺🇸] Amen

2017-10-20 00:57:57 - Amber Yeary It is impossible to police with the resources they have. They can't do it for the thing that actually makes them money, they certainly won't for this

2017-10-20 00:58:16 - Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30) Right now, it's like a weak parent telling their kid over and over again not to do something or they'll be in trouble but never doing anything else

2017-10-20 00:59:17 - ollie (@ollietronic) 300 years is a pretty short period of time for a constitutional document.

2017-10-20 00:59:35 - Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30) Their playerbase is a resource that they don't utilize enough

2017-10-20 00:59:39 - Amber Yeary For humans?

2017-10-20 00:59:47 - ollie (@ollietronic) Tech bros also terrible

2017-10-20 00:59:48 - StealthRanger [St. Louis, MO, USA] [[GIF, size 32'054 bytes]]

2017-10-20 00:59:58 - Amber Yeary Lol, they totally are

2017-10-20 01:00:10 - Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30) Hahaha

2017-10-20 01:00:16 - ollie (@ollietronic) Yeah mang. America be young

2017-10-20 01:00:27 - Charlie Arnold ok. So we could push for a clearer TOS. Hard commitment on "Is IITC ok" for instance.

2017-10-20 01:00:49 - Cate [Intoku, WA, 🇺🇸] That'd be crazy cool

2017-10-20 01:01:19 - Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30) How can tos be any clearer on the rules against spoofing and scraping?

2017-10-20 01:01:21 - Charlie Arnold actually the IITC thing is a nice, easy goal. They've basically given that up already.

2017-10-20 01:01:25 - Amber Yeary Our attention span as a species is pretty short. The Roman republic only lasted ~500

2017-10-20 01:01:35 - Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30) They already spell it out pretty well.

2017-10-20 01:01:41 - Amber Yeary Our existence as a species is pretty short

2017-10-20 01:01:49 - Charlie Arnold This got existential fast

2017-10-20 01:01:59 - Amber Yeary Yeah, sorry

2017-10-20 01:02:22 - ollie (@ollietronic) Mesopotamia was a minute though

2017-10-20 01:02:38 - Cate [Intoku, WA, 🇺🇸] 😂

2017-10-20 01:02:51 - Pongolyn | Seattle, WA I don't want one. 😂

2017-10-20 01:03:13 - Cate [Intoku, WA, 🇺🇸] +1

2017-10-20 01:03:25 - Amber Yeary I don't get how newer players even care. Recharger and Illuminator

2017-10-20 01:03:28 - Amber Yeary Done

2017-10-20 01:03:45 - Amber Yeary In my day...

2017-10-20 01:04:06 - Amber Yeary We had to rotary deploy resonators and drive around the block for xm

2017-10-20 01:04:20 - StealthRanger [St. Louis, MO, USA] Sojourner. So simple. Entirely in the agent's control.

2017-10-20 01:04:20 - Amber Yeary 👵🏽

2017-10-20 01:04:31 - Cate [Intoku, WA, 🇺🇸] I anti-care. I'm a horrible example of the ingress population, since I was raised by Pongo and Ollie. I would in fact be genuinely upset to get onyx Guardian

2017-10-20 01:04:35 - Pongolyn | Seattle, WA I grew up as a player assuming the game would sunset before I hit 16. The last two years have been an extended bonus round.

2017-10-20 01:05:36 - Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30) Unless you're me and forget to play every day lol

2017-10-20 01:05:37 - Amber Yeary Remember Endgame?

2017-10-20 01:05:38 - Amber Yeary Lol

2017-10-20 01:05:54 - Cate [Intoku, WA, 🇺🇸] I have a cursed Sojourner

2017-10-20 01:06:14 - Charlie Arnold yeah yeah. Ok, Oprah style isn't really on the menu realistically anyway

2017-10-20 01:06:24 - Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30) I finally got it after starting over a couple times

2017-10-20 01:06:26 - Charlie Arnold But there's a good argument in the IITC thing

2017-10-20 01:06:35 - Amber Yeary Rules with examples

2017-10-20 01:06:48 - Amber Yeary Applied consistently

2017-10-20 01:06:50 - Cate [Intoku, WA, 🇺🇸] That would be amazing

2017-10-20 01:07:11 - Amber Yeary Or if they can't find the resources, (likely) wild west

2017-10-20 01:07:20 - Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30) How is this different than me saying enforcing?

2017-10-20 01:07:27 - Amber Yeary It isn't

2017-10-20 01:07:28 - StealthRanger [St. Louis, MO, USA] The thing is though, even if they give clear guidelines they still can't enforce them and we will be in the same place we are now with individuals using whatever tools they want.

2017-10-20 01:07:29 - Charlie Arnold ok.

- Guardian Hunting as we currently know it goes away forever
- Give us IITC so we can end all this apples to oranges bullshit

2017-10-20 01:08:00 - Amber Yeary So give everyone the API and fuck it

2017-10-20 01:08:10 - ollie (@ollietronic) I'm fine with "tell us the rules"

2017-10-20 01:08:14 - Amber Yeary I'll most likely stop playing but that's fine

2017-10-20 01:08:25 - StealthRanger [St. Louis, MO, USA] I was thinking if they tried to say no to iitc. If they say yes, then that works.

2017-10-20 01:08:29 - Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30) Still this. If we want to go that route, we need to know what we want

2017-10-20 01:08:48 - Charlie Arnold We need baby steps.

2017-10-20 01:09:07 - ollie (@ollietronic) These aren't baby steps😂

2017-10-20 01:09:17 - Amber Yeary Out of the elevator or into the elevator?

2017-10-20 01:09:19 - Cate [Intoku, WA, 🇺🇸] But if you were to fantasize, what would the rules be?

2017-10-20 01:09:34 - Charlie Arnold Guardian Hunting is easier than something nebulous like 'tell us the rules'. They're already tracking for it, and the riot stuff dovetails nicely.

2017-10-20 01:10:22 - ollie (@ollietronic) Something enforceable and clearly articulated. If that's "anything goes" or "no spoofing" or "nothing other than UI changes"

2017-10-20 01:10:28 - Charlie Arnold 'tell us the rules' is a compelling tag, but to explicate you have to describe the ways in which the current rules are bad, and then suggest ways in which they could be better. It becomes a snooze really fast.

2017-10-20 01:10:53 - ollie (@ollietronic) Yeah, rules are pretty boring.

2017-10-20 01:11:00 - ollie (@ollietronic) [[Webpage]]http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub

2017-10-20 01:11:04 - StealthRanger [St. Louis, MO, USA] I was thinking more along the lines of finding ways to encourage positive culture. Technically, it doesn't sound like they can stop anyone from using anything, but they can give us more power to mold the player base.

2017-10-20 01:11:10 - Amber Yeary Laying framework for things that are functional is often boring

2017-10-20 01:11:12 - ollie (@ollietronic) Oh shit, still on my clipboard paste.

2017-10-20 01:11:32 - Charlie Arnold A good rule request: "Anything that automates aggregation of data is not ok."

That would rule out some grey things, like outgress.

2017-10-20 01:11:41 - ollie (@ollietronic) Yup that's fine

2017-10-20 01:11:59 - ollie (@ollietronic) I really don't care what they are as much as they are defined.

2017-10-20 01:12:07 - Pongolyn | Seattle, WA Outgress already a TOS violation for charging money for services, but.

2017-10-20 01:12:25 - Spike (crewellye -PIT ⚜) Agree as long as it is clear on the limit of what mod/ plugin capabilities are probibited as IITC could not be viewed as a stock ing tool

2017-10-20 01:12:29 - Charlie Arnold This is a social media campaign. We succeed by capturing and harnessing approval in a short period of time and hurling it like mjolnir at an overwhelmed Niantic decision making corps

2017-10-20 01:12:43 - ollie (@ollietronic) If they're defined I can decide whether or not I want to play😂

2017-10-20 01:12:56 - Charlie Arnold we cannot achieve this goal if we're boring people to death.

2017-10-20 01:14:16 - Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30) I think I'll go back to being quiet and reading backlog

2017-10-20 01:16:32 - Charlie Arnold why? you have good ideas.

2017-10-20 01:16:48 - Charlie Arnold lol good old Sirlin

2017-10-20 01:17:00 - Charlie Arnold Did anyone play Kongai?

2017-10-20 01:19:05 - ollie (@ollietronic) I think his thoughts on tournament play are useful here

2017-10-20 01:19:34 - ollie (@ollietronic) I'd rather have the mechanic fixed than a gentleman's agreement

2017-10-20 01:20:55 - Pongolyn | Seattle, WA I don't even mind some gentleman's agreement. But as players, we shouldn't be shouldering all the burden for figuring out how to play fair.

2017-10-20 01:22:31 - Charlie Arnold Yeah. It just leads to predictable holy war between purists and fucktards

2017-10-20 01:27:40 - Spike (crewellye -PIT ⚜) Clear rules, appropriate penalties, and reasonable system to challenge the ruling on the field.

2017-10-20 01:32:04 - Jemstar (15/~PIT 🇺🇸) YES. They've always been SO BAD at "challenge the ruling on the field" -- everything. Portal denials. Portal appeals. Erroneous bans. They don't give a specific reason in the first place and when you ask for clarification you get no answer.

2017-10-20 03:04:51 - Charlie Arnold geez I'm finally catching up on the Reddit thread

2017-10-20 03:04:59 - Charlie Arnold it's way, way, WAY better than I expected.

2017-10-20 03:05:27 - Charlie Arnold We need to be excerpting this stuff and feeding it back to Niantic on g+. Does anyone want to tackle that?

2017-10-20 03:15:15 - Charlie Arnold [[Photo]]

2017-10-20 04:22:50 - Charlie Arnold [[Webpage]]https://plus.google.com/+CharlieArnoldDerp/posts/Xcfu1Lqkq9B

2017-10-20 06:26:18 - Nadia Amro Somehow someone found out I was involved

2017-10-20 06:27:24 - Space TooFar - Rochester NY Oh no! How do you know?

2017-10-20 06:27:43 - Nadia Amro [[Photo]]

2017-10-20 06:27:50 - Nadia Amro Was pinged by this smurf last night

2017-10-20 06:28:04 - Nadia Amro They were trying to explain their name being on that list

2017-10-20 06:28:35 - Nadia Amro We had a rather heated personal discussion that took place before my statement you see there.