- Krug is back on Monday. Probably not going to get a Niantic response on Monday.

- Tuesday or Weds., probably.

- What do we want that response to be?

- You didn't know go the fuck to sleep?!

- I imagine more res will be speaking out about things tomorrow.

- If you get a Niantic response I will be dumbfounded

- Shade as well as support.

- Oh that was easy ..And for his next trick Charlie proved black is white and got us all killed at the next zebra crossing

- I usually don't make it into an acronym.

- We will need to catch both.

- Catch?

- I want to put one in front of my grandparents' house. They'd have thought having one was cool. My sister lives there now and she's on board as long as it can look like a TARDIS

- But it's maybe a good idea to think about the outcomes we'd like to see from this.

- Once it's made, I'm totally submitting it

- RES seem to be circling on this notion of 'We used it to catch spoofers', which is fine. It's absurdly easy to counter, if we decide that's what we want to do.

- respond to as appropriate

- [[GIF, size 35'438 bytes]]

- Some sort of action against the agents in that slack would be nice but it's doubtful. Hell, even having Niantic acknowledge it would be good

- I want a permanent change to guardian dynamics that completely eliminates that mode of gameplay in a way DEEPLY DISSATISFYING to those people for whom it is a primary motivation.

- Bans would be a helpful signal from Niantic as to their position on the matter, for sure

- [[GIF, size 20'161 bytes]]

- .... Becoming sleep

- We need to have this not turn into a thing about the technicalities of whether specific individual accounts on that spreadsheet are bannable

- Been thinking about that all night, and that's my personal microcrusade. It's easy to target and process, I think.

But we could have multiple goals here.

- IDK, gif fail

- Wish i would have had the time to do more. Everyone working here was incredible, is take this ride again . Maybe after a little sleep

- I'm happy with clear guidelines

- Tell me what's legit and what's not

- agree

- I dig that everyone has different lines on both sides

- ❤️

- And even within a faction

- We absolutely do have multiple goals. That's fine by me 😊

- I just want some consistent rules. 😂

- @Crewellye there's so much to catch up on. Shaperspeed, agent

- I think that's still formative.

- Crazy thought...spin it to impact recharge as well as guardian. Probably not doable but it's there

- No better time to push it, IMO.

- we'd take a beating on that

- yeah. I mean, we need to be thinking about next things now, which is why I'm still awake.

- Yessss! There’s one down in South MS. It got axed b/c it’s too close to the existing library portal. That would be a sweet project.

- Recharge is solidly on ice until q1

- so I've got one: Permanently destroy guardian gameplay as we know it.

I like this because it's going to make a bunch of bullies quit, and that fills me with joy.

- It is known ☹️

- So much this. People knowing that there is a Nia employee on that list and no public acknowledgement from Niantic is like they're saying it's ok.

- Bans: my instinct is to say that we cannot explicitly push for this.

- API: maybe

- I'd be OK if they said it was OK.

- Like just tell me the rules.

- We have to steer away from this, I think

- I just think they ought to remove the whole damn stat from the game. Stat line gone. Badges gone.

- And not say a thing about it

- yes

- I know. My brain is on the POCs on the list and how they were so against it. It's not something to combine

- Every time something similar has come up, it gets bogged down in the minutiae of particular ban cases

- They can call it "minor text fixes"in the patch notes 😂

- I want to achieve permanent culture change.

The current culture is "It's implicitly ok to cheat because Niantic never does anything about it."

- I'd be okay with no bans if we get a substantial change

- Yeah, what Semi just said

- Thing is, it won't stop the use of the program for other purposes.

- Yes. I think we have to concede that we can't do anything about scraping as a fielding tool.

- I just don't see a way to attack it.

- Don't they have a way to prevent scrapping altogether or am I too hopeful?

- So.

Culture change, as manifested in the elimination of GH culture via code changes.

- and...? what

- what else can we angle for?

- What if they said nothing is cheating anymore and we can do anything we are technically advanced enough to do in the play of Ingress? That would be interesting.

- Too hopeful. Tech always finds a way

- Heh my 143 day in NC took an ultra strike during all this. Still there less shield, imagine that. The culture has not changed just yet

- We change the motivation

- Scraping is never going to go away. We can take a huge bite out of its current value by eliminating the aspect of gameplay at which its primarily aimed.

- Too hopeful. You can't block someone at the app or client level, only make it more expensive. And everything is cheap or free these days

- this is tantamount to arguing for API

- I have faith that a lot of people would play fair if they knew what was fair

- I said before, the guardian metric needs changed to remove the reason to hunt

- I have an idea for that, but in light of what's happened recently, I like a hard charge to simply and immediately eliminate the badge altogether.

- The TOS/"spirit of the game" tension is ridiculous.

- Just tell us what to do.

- it's pretty fucking easy to implement, and it hurts the bad guys by getting rid of their fun.

- you know what I'd love? EVERYONE GETS A GUARDIAN BADGE

- I mean, they won't do it, but it'd be hilarious.

- onyx guardian for errbody

- Yep. If they can't or are not willing to put in the effort to stop it, just open the floodgates.

- Go Oprah on it

- If they make it so anyone can scrape or spoof or whatever, it ruins the game. I'm not sure I like that direction

- It would be the equivalent of a 3 year old dumping all the toys out of the toy box and stomping off. Here you go! Play however you want!

- I think they look back and award guardian badges to players that previously achieved 10 days less then required, just to jack the hunters.

- Not at all

- 😂👍

- Waited for someone to get it lol

- ok. This is good. Everyone is thinking now. Keep doing that.

- We all got it. We're smart cookies!

- This will continue to evolve. We're not going to decide other things tonight. We have one direction, we might find another one.

- I don't like the idea. I guess the thinking would be "well if everybody can do it, I don't want to do it now" but it still just doesn't sit right

- Award badges for measurable positive culture change, implementation, and management.

- lol yes please

- Like playing poker with a transparent deck

- I agree with @ollietronic. They need to define the rules. Their lack of foresight and research caused this problem, owning and defining now could fix it

- Right. I was saying I don't like it either. Not at all.

- it's a subtle message. How do we push for that?

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