- I just don't know how to go about doing that in the most effective way when we come to publishing time

- Niantic is already on their shit list for all of the Pokemon go disasters

- Ugh.

- Guys, can we get consensus that the real names and personal data don't go in the spreadsheet?

- I would agree to that one hundred percent

- 💯

- Real names is bad, it violates ToS

- And in some places we're getting this wrong, wother and Julia aren't engaged any more

- I have not included that, nor will I

- agreed. AO for internal only ok?

- AO is fine, it indicates scope

- These are video game cheaters, not neonazis

- Placeholder

- Absolutely agree.

- Collection of personally identifying data is problematic even in the US. Agent name is a unique identifier. The database collects location data which is a protected class of information.

- 💚

- Or data about EU citizens. There are new regs about to go in effect that purport to reach outside the EU

- Support wholeheartedly

- I agree. Maybe some lead time, but not much.

- Wow. Yeah, definitely worth consideration.

- Not done with backlog.

We are not in a court of law. We are not staring down the barrel of burden of proof.

Of course there will be arguments that this all might be perfectly valid. The world is full of people who believe and argue for insane things. This should not prevent one from making reasonable observations targeting rational audiences.

- Just agent names and what they have their fingers in (#bot, #radar, etc.) makes sense to me.

- Agree

- What about a vague location in order to let us show the scale of the operation? Like state or country for EU people? Would be nice to have a map with places colored in to graphically demonstrate the scale of it.

- I don’t have a problem with broad AO as in state or country. There is no need to get more specific than that. Make the map separate from the list of agent names. Just a visual to show the scope, but not tagging specific agents

- Given how Niantic has a problem with player tracker, a map would not be great. Lists of areas is better

- I don’t want to place them on the map, just color in the areas represented.

- The location information could be excluded from the release just use the map to visualize.

- I like this thought. Scope without locating players

- Yep. I think that puts us in the safe territory.

- Anonymous heatmap only using states or countries for outside the US?

- Yes that’s the idea!

- So a map of the world, with a color scale for specific states/provinces/etc.?

- I'm imagining a map similar to what's seen for the electoral college. But one color, with levels of blue-ness.

- I agree re not including real names but we are NOT releasing this spreadsheet, right?

- If you haven't, take a look at the Radar Channels folder in the images directory. Area names and number of members in each channel -- that seems like useful evidence

- I'm not sure a heatmap supports our point that RES are the creepy ones.

- Hmm.

- I don't think we should do a ton of processing of this data.

- I agree with this statement.

- Agreed.

- @slykens: Wow, I'm sorta disappointed. Pittsburgh and Lehigh Valley have channels but we didn't get one here in State College! Hah hah!

- No use for them in how we field.

- We "play for hate", right?

- 👍

- Not caught up yet but have to take care of real life for a bit. Will be back in a few hours.

- So just the screenshots, text version of the list(s), brief explanation of what it is? I could get behind that, even though I'd love to see these bastards burn. "We're simply presenting the facts, folks. It's widespread organized cheating."

- Yes No real ID

- This is my angle of choice

- 👍

- Agree

- It's the moral high ground. Once the anger wears off we can say we did the right thing.

- The evidence does a pretty fine job of speaking for itself.

- 'course I can be angry for a looooong time.

- People will talk plenty about their own smurfs as soon as this gets released

- The less we try to spin it, the less vulnerable we are to introducing our own biases at the outset.

- Yes

- @Intoku and @pongolyn, true and true.

- I'd release the first pass data — names and channels — nothing else. But I don't feel strongly about it.

- apologies if it was answered

- @strandit, based on the other document you provided, do you think that TBG built the underlying database or do you think they access someone elses?

- So, you're not in favor of the highlighting states / countries idea, you think we should do an anonymous heatmap, or just no map?

- I don't think there's enough to say. The tool author is in the lists but he'd be there anyhow.

- Agree with this. Let the main post/website be facts only and then let each person who shares the link add their commentary.

- I expect it's gone through several iterations.

- (There is a mile of backscroll and I'm at work again today. Ping if you need me for something)

- so someone also mentioned before possibly identifying the exact amazon aws location of the database. Any thoughts on how to pursue that?

- it seems like an important piece that would change substantially the outcome of the release.

- I might skip the map entirely and have a text description of "XX countries on Y continents, and ZZ US States."

- You can choose any AWS data center for your hosting.

- I’d shy away from AWS on the basis that I could imagine the res scripting downloads to run up the hosting costs.

- No, not for us, for what Erich asked.

- I'm trying to catch up on almost a thousand messages. Apparently I missed that there are these agents on the list 😱

- The screenshot Matt shared earlier was in US-East-1 which is the cheapest and most commonly used chunk of AWS.

- Ah, I suspect that could be done by getting the IP of the instance whether it be RDS or EC2.

- I can lol haven't said a word to anyone

- I've reviewed the screenshots from the guardian searches and couldnt find any obvious hits as a result of the searches. Which isnt entirely surprising, but unfortunate for making our case.

- This would be safe. But any extrapolations or analysis we make will have errors and they can call us on errors.

- What can they really say if there's an error

- It's just another dumb argument that will detract from the core message.

- Thank you.

- Yep, let it speak for itself

- Best to keep it simple.

- I do not think that we do. I think the evidence at hand is adequate. We simply indicate that the system purges data more than 48 hours old and show thr powerful examples available.

Still catching up.

We are getting way too deep in the weeds. This is a big, gnarly bomb. Put a bow on it and drop it.

- Is the WB still responsive?

- Because while portal captures could be manually entered, mod caps can't. A screenshot of VRLA channel would go a loong way to shutting any "is this really scraping" argument down.

- I dunno, it didn't work when it happened in anomaly slacks

- I had guardians hunted down by an agent in the list last Sunday. I would expect if there is a search history/trail, that might show up

- So, I don't understand much, but are there people in those sub groups listed, like the area groups, that aren't on the member list we have now?

- And can we get those lists, or no?

- If WB joins all those channels people will see her join all those channels

- I also had a guardian dropped Sunday afternoon

- Yeah, that's what I thought

- One of my community members is in the same spot, and it was demonstrably done by someone from outside the region. I have the names available for a search.

- Even a preview of VRLA would be enough I'd hope.

- Yes.

I am planning to provide 24 hours notice to Krug at around 1 pm. It will be very short and sweet with nothing evidentiary included.

- It's also time to be real clear with WB about being listed or not listed.

- damn, i was hoping a couple of hits by chicago players to portals of mine in florida would come up

- It exists in the screenshot of the channel lists and has 93 members. Is that not enough for reasonable suspicion?

- We have reasonable suspicions. I'm just trying to put nails in coffins now.

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