- there is a channel called ALL_VRLA.

- Does that do what it appears to do

- Ugh

- Probably

- because thats its own post

- fucking shitbags

- good lord

- Mod scans yay

- we have things like this. Cactus, poptart

- They do scan for mods. Vidicon has told me my modding counts for the month

- whatever shaperbeast uses

- Yep they will come up

- blue team is just a lot better at distributing them

- wtf, i had no idea

- im glad i dont

- Do ours offer VRLA mod scans though?

- I thought it was too resource intensive

- ha, did you ask?

- no

- I dunno. I bailed out of both of those things pretty early on.

- just assumed

- The existence of cheating tools is not a factional issue

- I just realized today that I was still in the poptart slack. thank god it's dormant

- we don't use these tools where I play.

- "we" is a pretty sketchy term. I've turned down access to both.

- agreed, its the use

- The extent of use varies by faction by region

- I mean we, factionally. Cactus is the latest and greatest offender. It's EU developed. It got put through the wringer recently and is now probably underground. For a while, it was on the way to becoming as normalized and distributed as this RIOT garbo

- I have access to both but dont use. I can confirm whether anyone is doing a global VRLA scan.

- Ugh, wow, poptart. Quarkgent was all about that

- Yea, when I first found out about poptart I was ready to flipout.

- Some "helpful" operator from another country introduced some of my locals to Cactus 😒

- Sounds like you're an excellent candidate for wb on our side

- Get on it.

- Poptart does something more than just notify you when fields go up, I take it?

- Its scraper based notification

- Let's try to stay on target here. The scope of this information is broad and unexpected. We have some refactoring to do on goals.

- @Aneristic is ageek a PA or DC agent

- Our job here is not to watch the world burn, or get people fired. We know nobody is going to get banned, and we know the malfeasance isn't going to stop.

- Shit, man, we just talk to each other in the PNW for the most part.

- I don't recognize the name but it's a big state

- I'd consider it for those two.

- ive seen it all aover

- We simply need to reconsider what we want to achieve, based on the information at hand, then come up with a plan for release that dovetails with those goals.

OK?

- So what do you perceive as our job?

- but they also take pains to make GH difficult or impossible.

- I lost focus. East TN Res. Had dealings with me and Iknownothing

- Burn everything.

- you can use a scraper to painstakingly analyze the mu of fields, you can use it to tell you who threw a link, you can use it to automate responses to other teams actions, or you can use it to guardian hunt. I dont see them all as the same degree of evil because NIA said so

- but it's a hard argument to ... let's not have that argument here please.

- ok.

- My goals are roughly the same as they were initially:

1) Marginalize some RES bad actors
2) Disrupt RES orga on a short term basis
3) Effect a big nudge on culture change

- One might have to think about it very carefully in private, if don't want to have it in public.

- I'm a big fan of "light everything on fire, let the institution sort it out"

- That's cool. You are a great representative for the radical end of the spectrum.

- Ultimately, we know we're going to release the data. Once we do, it's a paper airpline. We can throw it however we want, but it's going to slew around some.

- We

- So what is the issue we're currently trying to solve?

- 💚💚💚💚💚

- You're a wonderful representative of protecting the status quo? Is that how we're doing assigning folks to boxes? ;)

- My sense is that the decisions that remain to us involve when and how to release the information.

- I'm nobody :)

- I think we need more cases of them using it

- It feels to me like being on the Omnivore list is more damning than simply being in the #bot slack. Is that way off base?

- agreed. omnivore opens the door to any RES using it.

- WB is going to keep documenting as new entries pop up. There are about a dozen requests (ballparking, didn't count) in the dataset now, which is only over the last 48 hours. Presumably we'll get roughly that same volume again.

- They're both about access. Omnivore might be a higher level of access.

- But people can be in a channel without using the thing.

- Right.

- I represent that position. Not that you should necessarily defend res in my position.

- I see the Omnivore thing as much more of a ringleader/candyman thing

- I recently visited a known hunter while she was in the hospital and although she never said a name of this thing..... she described a situation where some of here teammates were upset that she had more access than she did. I wonder if this is what she was referring to.... is thatsnomoon on the list??? I’ve requested access but Charlie’s busy and hasn’t granted it yet

- After 30 minutes or so of thought: I’d release to Krug, explicitly noting Slackfarmer and scr33n, with a 24 hour timer.

- Then I’d release.

- I'd burn you for not saying a thing previously

- With all due respect.

- sorry, done

- Probably time to consider your presence in those rooms.

- This

- meh, I get that. I'd like to think if I was in this particular thing it would be different. Maybe just lying to myself

- Thankfully you have time to grow a spine. So fix it.

- Or alternatively, folks here want to go after enl offerings

- hey, we're all just kids sorting through a challenging set of problems here. Please stay civil. Thanks.

- If we're already attacking each other over this we're gonna be in trouble when this breaks.

- Info I was given by a local RES about this thing a while back. Each agent gets a team, size is based on score, score being guardians hit. Each team contributes to the team leaders score. (My contact no longer plays but was a spoofer when he did)

- Not all of us are just kids with access to enl scraping shit. 😂

- Have to wonder at which point you wind up in a similar screenshot

- Everything he told me is backed up by the info I've seen leaked so far

- thing is, its a different situation. The tools are more or less benign, or half dark, or the thing I can see wouldnt incriminate anyone anyone would care about. Not saying no, just saying I have to think about it. Your judgements are not my judgements

- This is fascinating intel, thank you!

- welp.

I have to go run a BAF meeting for something I should have been preparing a few hours ago. This seems fine.

Be back in a little while

- Also I'm immediately having regrests for IDing Slackfarmer. Just putting it out there. I can confirm though that the memory is correct and that was definately the Niantic dev I spoke to at Navarro for great length. He was a recent hire but player first. Possible that this tool was coded ahead of his onboarding? Not that it really makes a huge difference.

- Again, I thought this was known stuff.

- This tool is old.

- Nope. I could and would have IDd him.

- And scr33n has been involved with Niantic in some capacity for ages.

- We are all learning the extent of our own naivete here.

- Everyone has some.

- What if the tool is being fed live data from the backend?

- Yup. We grew up in different contexts. I would be booted from my community for that, but w/e

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