- @PappyDeLong you probably know how much he has been on an anti-spoofing campaign against Jay lol

- ๐Ÿ˜Š

- Ok, I'm a bit lost on something

- What's patreon?

- I have heard some of it yea

- its a recurring crowd funding site

- you pay monthly for access to content. lots of artists use it, developers. V uses it.

- Although theres no acces to anyhing extra on V

- No probably not more than in inside person, but he has lots of history of what's gone on here and knows what's going on in Charlotte. Plus he's an IT guy, so he understands the tech parts. LOL

- Do you have his email from tangrams?

- DM me

- Rio5, if that wasn't known

- I didn't see her, but I wasn't looking specifically

- Yeah, he's an admin along with me in our slack ;). I know him well. Lemme grab it

- I don't remember seeing her in there

- Lol

- wasn't @SKSM5966 working on something like this yesterday?

- No idea

- If he was I missed it

- @deafone @RevDegen, yup, lemme grab the link.

- Actually, it may be in the pin...

- ...okay not in the pin, lemme grab the link.

- What, you tripped? Fell? Landed on his ๐Ÿ†?

- here

- haha

- and there

- Yup, that's it. Hah hah!

- Oh

- I was thinking of a tg channel

- ๐Ÿ˜†

- Generally because this isn't going to be the last time we do this kind of work

- @deafone, yeah, was just throwing them into a spreadsheet.

- But that works tii

- ๐Ÿ‘

- I just shook the hand of keyboardwarrior

- If someone wants to update his AO, it's Belfast, Ireland

- He's also the current anomaly PoC

- Not sure if that still matters, or not

- I'm having a really hard time not saying something

- Fuck

- [[GIF, size 125'929 bytes]]

- Heh you could ask in passing if he knows anyone on that list. :)

- I open with "nice day huh"

- Playing a certain 3 days grace song loudly through headphones is always fun

- I have been deeply disturbed by so many of the revelations that have come out of the Brokers Guild leak. The sheer number of agents involved, including many that I considered colleagues. The fundamental disconnect between how my player community and other player communities I have worked closely with view this game we love and how the community leaders in the Brokers Guild view it.

But there is nothing more sickening than the argument Iโ€™ve heard in a few places that the Brokers Guild was fundamentally on the side of the Right, rooting out cheating that endangers the soul of Ingress.

*The Guild is not an anti-spoofing league, nor are the tools it built tools for catching cheats.*

A bot that spits out lists of the oldest portals owned by a specific agent, or the oldest portals in a geographic area is not for catching spoofers.

A mod scraper to spot VRLA being deployed is not for catching spoofers.

A counter that tallies your guardian hits in terms of how many of your opponentsโ€™ days you have wasted is not for catching spoofers.

Automated alerts that push to every RESWUE client in your community when your local opponents are throwing a flash farm are not for catching spoofers.

A heat map of an individual playerโ€™s commonly-visited locations, complete with times of day, is not for catching spoofers.

Augmented reality gameplay is new and exciting territory. Yes, we all put our privacy on the line a bit every day that we play Ingress. But we also get to help define the cultural norms on using one another's location information. There has been some back-and-forth this week about whether x specific feature of #RIOT is technically within bounds of the Ingress TOS. Or whether Niantic is aware of some features that are clear TOS violations but tolerates them because theyโ€™ve been used to catch spoofers. Fine, if some of this is happening with Nianticโ€™s blessing, they just have to say so.

But so much of what is revealed in these screen shots is so far outside of the bounds of moral behavior. No one ends up in a Slack by mistake โ€” you have to explicitly accept an invitation, and it is clear that one of the requirements for membership in this Slack was registration with your real agent name, spelling quirks and all. Joining the Brokers Guild was a conscious choice.

And once in, well, we can all see from these screenshots what the members saw, in public channels inside that Slack. Guardian hit requests, complete with automated lists of which Brokers live nearby. (The deals being brokered were guardian hits, not spoofer stings.) People helping each other set up bot access in other chat platforms to propagate scraped data to their local communities. Agents building portfolios of players whose every move they wanted to stalk.

Somehow, the hundreds of people in that Slack, even if they werenโ€™t all participating, stayed silent about what they saw there. That is destroying the soul of Ingress.

- Yea, I saw him on there

- I can post any time in the next two hours

- May I make notes?

- Yup

- That's excellent, thank you!

- I'm not sure I like the part about if it's with niantic's blessing then fine. Because it's really not fine. But they definitely do need to say something one way or the other.

- Very nicely done

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- Ig some brokers are embracing it and getting coins made

- Takes away to innocent argument.

- I mean if youre gonna embrace being actively scraping, why not coin check for it

- How do the ones who claim ignorance combat the ones who are almost bragging about it? The argument doesn't stand up if only some of their people are saying it

- Maybe that should be part of the post? Idk

- "some of you claim it was for this. Some claim ignorance. What about the ones who are openly admitting to being cheating assholes?"

- First two paragraphs rewrite

- I have been deeply disturbed by so many of the revelations that have come out of the Brokers Guild story:
The sheer numbers of agents involved, including many that I considered colleagues.
The fundamental disconnect between how my community views this game and how the community leaders in the Brokers Guild view it.

But there is nothing more wrong than the argument Iโ€™ve heard in a few places that the Brokers Guild was fundamentally on the side of good, rooting out the location-altering cheating that endangers the soul of Ingress.

- working on the tail

- I think this is a very clever gotcha, actually.

- What's the format for a riot lookup? I'm playing catch-up in so many chats I don't know where to find it

- Augmented reality gameplay is new and exciting territory. Yes, we all put our privacy on the line a bit every day that we play Ingress. But we also get to help define the cultural norms on using one another's location information. There has been some back-and-forth this week about whether x specific feature of #RIOT is technically within bounds of the Ingress TOS. Or claims that Niantic is aware of these TOS violations but tolerates them because theyโ€™ve been used to catch spoofers. If that's the case, Niantic can simply say so.

But so much of what is revealed in these screen shots is so far outside of the bounds of moral behavior. No one ends up in a Slack by mistake โ€” you have to explicitly accept an invitation, and it is clear that one of the requirements for membership in this Slack was registration with your real agent name, spelling quirks and all. Joining the Brokers Guild was a conscious choice.

And once in, well, you'd see we can all see from these screenshots, in public channels inside that Slack. Guardian hit requests, complete with automated lists of which Brokers live nearby. The deals being brokered were guardian hits, not spoofer stings.

People helping each other set up bot access in other chat platforms to propagate scraped data to their local communities. Agents building portfolios of players whose every move they wanted to stalk.

Somehow, the hundreds of people in that Slack, even if they werenโ€™t all participating, even if they joined with noble intentions, stayed silent about what they saw there.

That is destroying the soul of Ingress.

- @Intoku

- Suggestions all

- Ok....that was weird

- He just openly copped to being on the list

- ehe

- Furthermore, he acknowledged what I've been saying all along.....that list wasn't even 10% of those who have access

- There were many names missing from that list that I know scrape

- He never used the slack

- He only uses riot

- Confirms it's down...."for now"

- So he was that open about it?

- Yep

- doubling down on the #PlayClean soap

- Said the joke is that the majority of the hunters never needed the slack, or didn't join it

- They had direct access to riot

- Typically, those who were lower down on the "connected" ladder used the access available from the slack.

- The rest didn't need it

- Thanks for the help, Erich. I promise Iโ€™m looking at it

- Who has a thought on timing?

- I think we knew that the slack was only part of it.

- Yep. WB said possibly 15,000 people used thia

- I don't know that it really matters, it is undeniable the tool exists and it is undeniable the 900 people do not comprise a full roster--at some point you can safely assume it is "very widespread"

- Oh I I think it should definitely be mentioned. But maybe something more like there are claims of Niantic's blessing in this, but since Niantic has yet to confirm or deny...yadda yadda

- Sorry I'm a few posts behind. Real life has gotten ahold of me for a few minutes.

- Can we get a quote with attribution for that? Lol

- Oh, good point, I can pull back one hair

- yesterday i had to remind people a few times in Chicago that just because they did not see someones name in the list it did not mean they were not using the tool. I think it is starting to sink in more today.

- I wish. Lol

- Definitely call them out though and the fact that we are all waiting for a statement

- !riot <name>

- So all the names that were on the list were all just busted publicly and one of their higher-ups essentially called them lowbies.... Awww....

- the tail end of your window feels right. 5ish eastern

- For the Krug file--he mentioned "we need proof of people using it"...so bascially he's saying having a list of slack members isn't enough--we would need to have a video of a screen share, since many people used RIOT direct. ๐Ÿ™„

- Start following your RES around with cameras I guess?