Whistle Orga

I'm adamantly opposed to warning RES about this ahead of time.

Hm, ok. It sounds vaguely familiar. I think I saw Hangouts screenshots at some point

I was going to say and to our knowledge they have no idea what we know so far

I believe I've made clear who and whose friends can fuck themselves.

The initial release was actually viral via DM and local agents were already making snarky comments in comms to RES about it

[[Webpage]]@JemstarENL : https://plus.google.com/u/1/+SarahNew4323/posts/H5QqMxZ9MEo

just click through to the screenshots

The Sarah New g+ post drew 479 comments.


That's a shitlot of comments.

'main' is where the people are.

Thanks. Will check this out later

Anyone know how many people get their ingress news from reddit or Twitter vs g+?

To be fair, we weren't "warning" them so much as delivering a personal spit in their faces. ;-)

It's all G+.

ooh interesting there are references to RIOT in that thread

And honestly the swarm did a far better job of circulating the screenshots that we could have coordinated ourselves. It was more organic that way, although it was super useful to have a permanent home for the screenshots for easy reference.

Do quote

"ENL OrGTFO
+6
WTF is all the butthurt for? Maybe a RIOT would help? Oh well, I'll go SOP up a date on RESWUE.
"

Ah, the res troll

this

Enl.

Primarily Reddit here

G+ is terribad

Really?

Not super-picky about which faction his accounts are, but yeah.

Use Reddit for rabble rousing

if it's scandalous, you are not likely to encounter much difficulty getting people to reshare it.

hm

The attention span on Reddit is measured in mayfly lives

well, you won't be putting all your eggs in one basket either

Do we know anyone at IUENG?

It’s over 7000 members.

I want a bunch of RES having really awkward, difficult conversations with one another.

Yes and I’d love to track how many leave the slack or channels once it is released.

They don't usually get involved in this brand of drama

i fear the res i know are involved with this, aaand .. it's gonna look ugly when my name is on a post that corresponds to this.
and that's fine. nobody likes a dirty cheater :)

I don't fear it, I know (assuming this is real) that my res are involved. I just want to know how many are.

Also, in lessons learned from the west coast scrapergate, any thoughts about the possibility that RES doesn't consider their use of this tool to be cheating at all?

Institutionalized malfeasance has a way of doing that.


I make my living catching engineers stealing $80k software packages without even being aware that it's a problem.

I...have never used Reddit. Am I kicked?

They care about being exposed. No matter what they say on social media

Of course, I don't mean that as an argument against releasing it, just that it's one of several outcomes you'll find yourself navigating

I'm starting to rethink the goals here into broader categories


1) name and shame
2) short term res orga disruption
3) culture change

I know we've had a lot of back and forth on number 2, and I'm content to let that one go. Or at least marginalize it

Oh I hear ya. They are gonna try and defend in any way they can. That's what cockroaches do. They scurry to survive.

1 and 2 are near certainty. 3 is low likelihood amongst those serious about it.

At what point does Krug respond on it if we swarm The next ama after initial Posting?

The appropriate amount of warning is the pre-existing drama on Reddit with Russell.

Like, they know we make drama with this kind of stuff. it's fair game.

WB says:


"Whistle Blower
I will share folders as I complete them but ideally I would not want information released until everything is done. As once it's out it will get closed quickly. As of now there is a 48 hour erase on some sensitive channels already."

So let's respect that please.

She's right

Yup

Rgr.

Get it all before any of it goes out

That includes unfortunately warning ppl who are being hunted. It's not like it will actually help anyways

"48 hour erase" is interesting functionality, wow.

Yes and she should continue capturing the more secure stuff until release.

If anyone was actually considering this I don't think they are taking this seriously enough

Keeps stuff .. untracable? Heh.

I don't think I'm being hyperbolic when I say that I honestly think this is going to end some Ingress lives

Well it certainly reduces the amount of dirty laundry if someone does go rogue.

This too.

Yea, some ppl will throw in the towel

Well, if you were trying to double-check if guardians were being knocked off and didn't think it through, it could happen

In the case of certain people I can think of this would be a good thing overall.

Probably a function of 600 people in a 10k message max slack

good point

Most of the Seattle RES appear to have stopped playing at this point. They had trouble recovering since Obsidian, but Persepolis + all your leadership are dirty cheaters pretty much sealed the deal.

It's a Slack function; you can set retention for specific channels.

mostly the DFCs packed up and went home, but they were also the folks propping up the standing MU

On paid or unpaid?

However, it requires a paid plan.

So sit on that one for a second.

Wonder if somebody's using a nonprofit

How do you afford to pay the user-fee for 600 folks?

Or an educational institution?

Education = $2/user

Charge a subscription fee?

(source: has an education plan at current employment)

900

I was wrong about bike.

[[Webpage]]https://www.ingress.com/intel?ll=42.128225,-83.185703&z=20&pll=42.128225,-83.185703

Also, If someone else didn't Address this yet : publishing a full list of users becomes a problem for the WB.

Either we include them and they are maligned

Or exclude them and they are exposed.

ok, here we go. You guys get what I get.


Remember, NO RELEASE until we are all in lockstep.

WB might already expect that. Charlie will have to figure that out when the time comes.

Should I request access?

Not-for-profit status? Buffalo ENL do this. Hold a monthly membership meeting (brunch & login sheet) and get some great slack benefits.

This like all things calls for a spreadsheet

We need transcription on all of those grabs ASAP

Oh hey look our known scrapers coming up

first reaction: they code guardian hunter stats directly into the riot database

IE: you get a kill you get a point or whatever. It's tracked in the root datastore

that's not pathological at all

Ahhhhh Portland RES POC selection making some sense now that I'm reading this list.

I should request access?

yeah it's a subfolder of the main share. request is fine