Whistle Orga

2017-10-20

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Aneristic (PHL)

You can definitely use riot to look up your own guardians

Or any player's

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Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30)

Would be nice to know who sent the person that map

Riot is supposedly still down tho, yes?

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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)

I dont know who sent it

but im checking on map ownership

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Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30)

If this is true, they are having to use other means

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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)

if its them.

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Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30)

Yes

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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)

ok...

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Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30)

We also know there are unnumbered amounts of unknown communities that were running it too.

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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)

We've got a full fledged problem on our hands

its owned by an ENL

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Aneristic (PHL)

What is?

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Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30)

The map is?

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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)

the original map

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Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30)

Why is that a problem? We want to expose both sides anyway, right?

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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)

We do.

But now we're going past theory into practice.

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Aneristic (PHL)

You recognize the email address?

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Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30)

This could be the first breadcrumb to finding that

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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)

Its an australian I have never heard of

but they have .rocks and have attended anomalies before

I think we need to establish some protocols here, to avoid conflicts of interest if we find something unsavory.

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Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30)

What's the agent name?

As in, we all agree that we go after an enl program the same way we are going after riot?

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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)

like, I dont think I should give the name till we see what this is, so we can investigate dispassionately.

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Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30)

My opinion: these tools are faction neutral. It's cheating. It's scraping. It should be called out

MA

Mantispidae - west tn

100%

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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)

Me too. I just dont want anyones personal connections to get in the way of that.

I still dont think this is enough to go on yet.

but it could get there.

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Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30)

That's why I called it the first breadcrumb :)

It's not much but it's a start

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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)

Yea.

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Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30)

So where do we go from here?

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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)

We watch the guardians

see what happens

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Jemstar (15/~PIT 🇺🇸)

@theprevaricator I requested access to your list

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Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30)

You said their map had 65 views? Is it safe to say if they are killed it was one of those 65?

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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)

oh!

forgot

wrong folder

JE

Jemstar (15/~PIT 🇺🇸)

Not necessarily. Someone could just pass the info along to someone else

A broker, whatever

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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)

and i cant see views

i mean

cant see who the views were

JE

Jemstar (15/~PIT 🇺🇸)

Um
Did I request access to the real map then?😱

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Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30)

That would not be good. Hey maybe you'll get an invite lol

PO

Pongolyn | Seattle, WA

Was it ever actually down, or just the web interface?

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Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30)

True

Nadia confirmed it was down...for now earlier today

She got that from one of the listers.

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ollie (@ollietronic)

Burn errybody

Like seriously

PO

Pongolyn | Seattle, WA

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Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30)

This. Everybody cheating

PO

Pongolyn | Seattle, WA

New phone, who this

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ollie (@ollietronic)

Like who is your buddy is irrelevant.

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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)

ok, changed plan

moved the map

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1XWJjWwKzVI10QbRkLh6-L7XbZjE&usp=sharing

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ollie (@ollietronic)

Krug or some unknown. Burn it.

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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)

new link

in whistle folder

I dont know australia ENL well. I have a dozenish contacts and we talk sporadically.

I want to be careful is all.

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Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30)

I have a few close Aussie contacts. But if found any of them are involved in something like this, done

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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)

what if its all of them

or if like SF they are manually tracking

(not likely given the data)

we dont see the backend, we dont see who else is involved

its a map and a name right now

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Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30)

I understand that

I'm trying to figure out the different colored pins. Green and red. Any ideas?

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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)

age?

CH

Charlie Arnold

this is not necessarily true. Export to mymaps isn't hard.

#110 deep necro

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Rebecca S (PoisonIvy30)

I wondered that. No way to tell

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Arctic Rebel - West TN

My local used to post this when I kept tagging his backpack

CQ

CQ 🐛👑 Sarah

Forwarded messages

Mo Hughes 👆🐐😍 2017-10-20 at 23:47:51

Anyone here besides me going to be at Mission Day in Provo? I don't have a counterpart because the green XF-CC got banned for spoofing with 3 accounts.

2017-10-21

CQ

CQ 🐛👑 Sarah

@Catw0man1 is Provo on your travel itinerary?

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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)

Forwarded messages

Tiernan (NVX) NQ AU 2017-10-21 at 00:16:45

So there's been RES leaks, and as a result there's been a desire to expose the presumably similar ENL scrapers of the world as well in a similar manner. I don't run such a tool nor am I affiliate with them, but I do run some tools which, just like IITC, do violate the strict letter of the ToS. As operators we've set an arbitrary view on where that line should be and what tools we are and are not comfortable using and that's fine, however rumours of ENL agents wanting to blow open things is concerning to me because I don't know if your opinion on this matter includes eg flipcard databases and portal location information.

As I have absolutely no desire to get caught up in the middle of this sort of thing, anyone suspected of wanting to willingly leak any information on opsec tools as a preventative measure will not have access to any tools I develop.

Huh.

PO

Pongolyn | Seattle, WA

Reasonable.

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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)

Sort of.

CH

Charlie Arnold

oh that's interesting. That's my language.

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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)

Also means anyone in here could be liable to be removed if that becomes known.

CH

Charlie Arnold

" On the ENL side, there's enl.wtf, and cactus, and poptart. I don't know much about these things. Factionally, I'm not a cool kid. People know I'm awkward and moralistic. They don't invite me to controversial stuff. That's fine. If I knew more about them, I'd just blow them open. Everyone knows this."

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Pongolyn | Seattle, WA

I'm pretty familiar with the part of my personal toolset that Tiernan developed and confident I can defend their use to a public audience if they receive scrutiny, and go without them if they become unavailable for any reason, or no reason.

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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)

Nope, he's talking about me.

He has removed me.

CH

Charlie Arnold

yep. Here we go.

PO

Pongolyn | Seattle, WA

From what?

CH

Charlie Arnold

people in faction who are scared of what we are doing are now talking about what we're doing.

this is the result of leaks, and that's fine

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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)

Nv.io/ingress

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Charlie Arnold

it was going to happen. Just be aware that it's happening, and make decisions accordingly.

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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)

I can login, there are no tools

So 30 minutes after we get an email from someone anonymous implicating an Australian guardian Hunter I get removed and we get a general warning from an Australian dev.