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Some people don't get that dispensation from me, but the majority, yes.

This. People make mistakes

That's...idk. We have been saying to other posts of the "I didn't use it to be bad" that they were still in bad company.

That is not the same statement, though.

Yeah, this is an important position to take for strategic reasons.


We're going to be very glad we do this when we're throwing ENL under the bus.

I don't care why you used it; you apologize and accept responsibility and move on.

If you say "I used it for good and I won't apologize," no.

She was. She knows. I can see the difficulty she has justifying it now.

wish i had more to offer to throw them under the bus

And how do you trust that the person won't do it again?

What's it cost me?

I like you

This is culture building. You make the gesture sincerely. You get people to adopt that mentality. Most people who fucked up appreciate this and acculturate.

I would have a difficult time of it. But that's me

thats how a lot of nasty DC RES switched over to enl.

Yeah, I don't demand everyone adopt my aged hippie Zen-like calm

I'm not going to give her the keys to my house or something without getting to know her first. No skin off my nose if she's just someone playing Ingress somewhere

There will be some recidivism, but not as much as you get from any other path.

The trick is I have missions to fall back on

once they switched they were like omg wtf. this is so much nicer

If everyone in Ingress turns out to be an asshole, I will go hit 4K missions.

I'd miss you but I would be fine.

gross. you know why? i hate missions.

See, missions are important. They give you a fallnback. 😄 😄 😄 😄

i wanted to stop at 500. But the girlfriend started way after me. so im doing the other 500 with her in protest.

I get that. It was part of my thinking too. She can switch. Rescind her actions. Very little chance I'll ever interact with her so it's whatever. But...there's another side to it as well. Two views to be had. Enl are welcoming and forgiving, good for us. Enl accept known cheaters and are gullible

Philosophically.

I would so much rather be gullible.

The argument that the Guild members are making: "it's OK because they do it."

I do not give a flying fuck who laughs at me.

Pretty sure she would get invited to enl.wtf

I try my best to weigh responses to one's fuckups far more than the initial fuckups themselves

if 15,000 players are doing it. its a normalized socitey

YES

there is our mole in the making!

This

But I don't like that

Yup. I'll take gullible over conspiracy theorist any day. It's a social video game, not the nuclear launch codes. Can't make friends if you don't take chances

Anyhow, Erich, I can't say anything about your local community

But I'd be happy to talk with her about this, I like people

Guess I'm too cynical for it.

ya i was messing around

I'd also probably say "no, stay Res, build a new community."

i wonder how many name changes were submitted this weekend

And how many of those are so they can continue business as usual?

He's also very good at liking people, in case it wasn't obvious.

I need to back up here for a minute. She knew it was wrong. She told you about it before WB did anything? Yet she was still in there. She used it. But it's ok because she didn't use it for bad reasons and she apologized? How is this any different from other stories we are seeing from res listers?

I know her, I believe her, she thinks what she did what wrong.

But it's not entirely.

I acknowledge that

The only difference I'm seeing to warrant the change in how she's being seen vs the other 900 is because you know her

Part of my difficulty.

She still accepted it and participated. Knowingly.

That's the part that I have difficulty with when someone says they're sorry. I think are they only apologizing because they got caught?

Yea. They all are. But it's either this or they're assholes forever.

Including your friend?

How do you know? Backlogging a bit

She practically lived in my garage for 4 months around Navarro. She's a wandering artist who fell in with ingressers, she doesn't give a damn about guardians and in over a year she never hit one. She denounced the local spoofer and helped us report him.

Idk. I still come back how we had Cate write her post debunking the claim that you're now defending

She calls the asshole res out on their shit. And left their hangouts

I'm not defending it. She fucked up. She shouldnt pretend otherwise

I'm talking about what to do now

There’s a difference between “I didn’t use it to do wrong so it’s okay and I’ll keep using it”

Also, I knowingly outed this person.

And “I didn’t use it to do wrong but I was still wrong and I screwed up.”

Like Niko.

Yeah, no worries, we’ll hold it in confidence

I just mean... I feel bad in a way. Not worried about being found out.

The first part of that sentence is one of the things we were speaking out about today.

I meant we’ll keep her confession in this room. Sorry that you had to put her name out on the internet

Ah.

Redemption is fundamental and human.

And I’m not saying you gotta agree with me.

This. So much this

I've run across one or two agents in the past who'd done messed up things and were able to convince their peers they'd reformed.

I made a few mistakes in my formative years. I spent time around better people and learned to make better decisions.

6-12mos exile from the community, name change and gain trust from their peers that they would never do it again before readmitting felt reasonable in those cases.

But it really depends on the situation.

Yea.

Yep.

There are local Res who I won’t ever trust.

Vidicon basically bribed me with this thing

I was surprised she did. And of course, i said nope.

None of the people I've ever successfully restored to the community ever messed up again, to my knowledge, but there's lots of agents who couldn't make it a month before doing something awful again

yup

There was once an fielder who got so mad at his local spoofers that he did it himself once and made a public g+ post on how it was done as an expose. He knew he'd be ejected from fielding and was okay with that.

About a year later, having maintained an absolutely pristine track record, he was allowed to participate in a field in which two agents personally accompanied him

Next AMA 😂

We still make agent selfie every single time they're in the field, no matter where they go

I have a local of my own enl who has fucked up ALOT and is working his ass off to earn trust again. It's not something simply given because he admitted he was wrong.
I'm having trouble forming words to my opinion. It feels hypocritical in a way.

But they aren't "that guy who spoofed" anymore.

Reconciliation can happen.

Nah, I don’t think it’s hypocritical

But it's not always easy.

Forgiveness is not obligatory either.

And trust your instincts.

I'm meaning in the instance here

There was a cross faction multi account in SF

Res primary. We caught him and exposed him, Res kicked him out of community and took him back a month later

I can forgive someone without giving them the chance to stomp all over me again, too. It’s not bosom buddies or nothing