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Whistle Orga

40 members
2017-10-17
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Scott Lykens (@5parkee)
I hope they enjoy knowing my account started at the Corner Room. Then went to Sweden the next day. :)
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Aneristic (PHL)
Spoofer
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Chris (@vedorian central NJ, USA) Damoci
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Scott Lykens (@5parkee)
Caught me!
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James P. Violentwaves142 IN E16
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Chris (@vedorian central NJ, USA) Damoci
Anyone know what comm ayb means from that last pic?
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Charlie Arnold
WB, unsolicited:


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Should have the bot folder done tonight, working on it little by little as time allows."
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Chris (@vedorian central NJ, USA) Damoci
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Charlie Arnold
so an idea for release:


In addition to other vectors...in the day leading up to release we could expand this channel to maximum possible size by inviting everyone trustworthy we can think of. Create a g+ template for publishing the data in an easy to consume format, and have everybody release it simultaneously. same message
shoot for 100+ simultaneous releases
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Chris (@vedorian central NJ, USA) Damoci
Agreed
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Charlie Arnold
that would keep it from being a lightning rod for any one person.
and would very interestingly distribute the conversation.
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Space TooFar - Rochester NY
I'm Spartacus!
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Scott Lykens (@5parkee)
I was thinking about putting the dump on S3 or something and having a burner reddit account link it to start. Then everyone source from that so itโ€™s somewhat anonymous.
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Charlie Arnold
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that'd be a good separate vector
anything on reddit should be anonymous. Nobody needs to be on the receiving end of that bilebomb
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matt - deaf1 - maine
I have never created a Reddit account
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Charlie Arnold
Looking back on Russell, Sarah New was the main release outlet on G+. A single point of release like that doesn't feel like the best strategy on this, especially when so many of us have been conspicuously noisy lately about other things
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Sara TeslaKoiled (Chicago, USA)
How much do we tell the people we trust/add before we add them?
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Aneristic (PHL)
I'm a little uncomfortable with small safe spaces where we will eventually add hundreds of people so we should monitor our words
Although I guess there's a way not to give people the history now
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Sara TeslaKoiled (Chicago, USA)
Maybe a new channel
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Scott Lykens (@5parkee)
Concur. Should be a new room IMO
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Charlie Arnold
"A group of people are planning a simultaneous release of information on a RES scraper platform. Would you like to review and possibly participate?"
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Sara TeslaKoiled (Chicago, USA)
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Charlie Arnold
yes, def new channel. Sorry I should have thought that through.
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Aneristic (PHL)
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Scott Lykens (@5parkee)
Would have to be short timespan too - only a few hours in case someone leaks it early.
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Aneristic (PHL)
If I don't want to participate in the simultaneous release should I leave now? Or just not join that other channel?
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Charlie Arnold
Yeah I'm thinking 6 hours
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Aneristic (PHL)
Not sure what expectations you have for involvement
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Charlie Arnold
yeah not join the new channel I think
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Aneristic (PHL)
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VAIN
Agreed on this.
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Charlie Arnold
this is just an idea. Not sure if it's good or not.
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Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA)
I'm concerned about looking overly orchestrated.
Sophistication opens the attack vector "you're just trying to drag us down."
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Charlie Arnold
I feel the same way on this one as I did on Recharge.


"Of course we're talking to each other."
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James P. Violentwaves142 IN E16
This can be Whistle Control
And we can make Whistle swarm elsewhere
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Scott Lykens (@5parkee)
Iโ€™d advocate a single anon post to reddit that can then be amplified.
Charlie Arnold changed group name to "Whistle Orga" 19:03:44
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Scott Lykens (@5parkee)
Would be much harder to trace to a person or group and can be boosted through everyoneโ€™s local instead of a group curated for such.
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Charlie Arnold
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Scott Lykens (@5parkee)
That way the public release occurs and since news travels fast we donโ€™t appear to be astroturfing it.
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Charlie Arnold
I worry about driving too much traffic to Reddit. That thing is going to be such a grief-fest
but maybe if the reddit post links a gdrive
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Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA)
You know, I'd web site it.
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Charlie Arnold
and then we all pick up the drive
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Scott Lykens (@5parkee)
Yes thatโ€™s what I mean - not to dump the data on Reddit.
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Charlie Arnold
oh. yes
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Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA)
Do it like a security vulnerability announce.
You can do completely anonymous sites on S3 with Amazon DNS.
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
You don't want to open opportunity for comments.
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Scott Lykens (@5parkee)
Where can we host it that wonโ€™t be subject to abuse like S3?
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Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA)
Some cost of bandwidth.
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Charlie Arnold
and a website would enable perfect content layout
and a fun FQDN
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Scott Lykens (@5parkee)
My concern with S3 is that theyโ€™d download it continuously to try to cost whoever hosts it money.
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Charlie Arnold
niantic.fixyour.game
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
I could open a new site on squarespace quick cheap and anonymous.
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Scott Lykens (@5parkee)
The brokers guild.party is available. :)
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Sara TeslaKoiled (Chicago, USA)
Is there something to be said for people from every region presenting the same message at the same time?
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Charlie Arnold
oh and we know a pretty good web designer I think
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Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA)
Put the S3 bucket behind CloudFront.
Werong cloud
Cloudflare.
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
I don't think mass repeated distribution is a good idea. Part of what worked before I think was that it was new content about the same thing. Drawn out over days, it almost insisted that at some point you would read one of the damn posts.
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
20 ppl created the appearance that "everyone was posting about it"
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Charlie Arnold
oh, funny analog to clusterbomb fielding
the recharge campaign was about getting smart passionate people to write some really well-considered commentary
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
But if they go up in the same hour, it's gone in 24.
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Charlie Arnold
staged release seems ok too. Not the same hammer blow, and it concentrates the g+ commentary in just a few places, but it's true that we could keep the story alive longer.
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
Initial post blows the lid and publishes the arcuive, then If we could get 20 hits documented with bios. Make them local to the poster and spread them out for two days.
That would create a strong logical and emotional argument for action.
Krug implied he readmost of the recharge posts
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Charlie Arnold
if we release on a Thursday and use AMA as a mid-cycle bridge, that's an extension and easy signal boost
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Scott Lykens (@5parkee)
What about those crazy bgan rechargers!?!?
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Pongolyn | Seattle, WA
Heigh ho!
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Charlie Arnold
hey. Pongo knows about websites and stuff.
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Cate [Intoku, WA, ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ]
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James P. Violentwaves142 IN E16
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ollie (@ollietronic)
I'd also point out that Sarah wasn't the main release, just the first one I found. I would argue that the Reddit release saw a *lot* more folks, but I think the imugr collection actually saw the most play (as most avenues including Sarah and Reddit) linked to it.
I may have been the reddit post. I'd kill to remember what the fuck the password was on that account. XD
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Cate [Intoku, WA, ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ]
Yeah, Imgur was the main point of that release
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Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA)
We had one redditor get banned for that release.
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Jemstar (15/~PIT ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ)
The fuck is Russell and why don't I remember it?
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ollie (@ollietronic)
*banned from r/ingress
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Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA)
Yep thanks.
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Cate [Intoku, WA, ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ]
Because it was on our coast
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Pongolyn | Seattle, WA
There were a few vectors actually, by the time the reddit post was made the screenshots were pretty widespread; RES knew that we had them and that they were real, Sarah's post came several days later when we drew some connections between two groups of incidents
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Charlie Arnold
Basically the same thing we're looking at now, but in the Pacific Northwest and based on stuff happening in hangouts rather than Slack