Whistle Orga

Too hopeful. You can't block someone at the app or client level, only make it more expensive. And everything is cheap or free these days

this is tantamount to arguing for API

I have faith that a lot of people would play fair if they knew what was fair

I said before, the guardian metric needs changed to remove the reason to hunt

I have an idea for that, but in light of what's happened recently, I like a hard charge to simply and immediately eliminate the badge altogether.

The TOS/"spirit of the game" tension is ridiculous.

Just tell us what to do.

it's pretty fucking easy to implement, and it hurts the bad guys by getting rid of their fun.

you know what I'd love? EVERYONE GETS A GUARDIAN BADGE

I mean, they won't do it, but it'd be hilarious.

onyx guardian for errbody

Yep. If they can't or are not willing to put in the effort to stop it, just open the floodgates.

Go Oprah on it

If they make it so anyone can scrape or spoof or whatever, it ruins the game. I'm not sure I like that direction

It would be the equivalent of a 3 year old dumping all the toys out of the toy box and stomping off. Here you go! Play however you want!

I think they look back and award guardian badges to players that previously achieved 10 days less then required, just to jack the hunters.

Not at all

😂👍

Waited for someone to get it lol

ok. This is good. Everyone is thinking now. Keep doing that.

We all got it. We're smart cookies!

This will continue to evolve. We're not going to decide other things tonight. We have one direction, we might find another one.

I don't like the idea. I guess the thinking would be "well if everybody can do it, I don't want to do it now" but it still just doesn't sit right

Award badges for measurable positive culture change, implementation, and management.

lol yes please

Like playing poker with a transparent deck

I agree with @ollietronic. They need to define the rules. Their lack of foresight and research caused this problem, owning and defining now could fix it

Right. I was saying I don't like it either. Not at all.

it's a subtle message. How do we push for that?

It's hard to have foresight in a completely new field

Defining and enforcing.

Ah ok. Good 😊

I think we have to accept as a given that enforcing prohibition against scraping is impossible. They literally cannot stop it from happening.

People who wrote the Constitution managed to do it and they were kind of shitty. Some techbros in SF can reach in the well and find something

spoofing, maybe a little

If they set consequences for actions and follow thru with them when given evidence of a rule break, it's not that hard.

Amen

It is impossible to police with the resources they have. They can't do it for the thing that actually makes them money, they certainly won't for this

Right now, it's like a weak parent telling their kid over and over again not to do something or they'll be in trouble but never doing anything else

300 years is a pretty short period of time for a constitutional document.

Their playerbase is a resource that they don't utilize enough

For humans?

Tech bros also terrible

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Lol, they totally are

Hahaha

Yeah mang. America be young

ok. So we could push for a clearer TOS. Hard commitment on "Is IITC ok" for instance.

That'd be crazy cool

How can tos be any clearer on the rules against spoofing and scraping?

actually the IITC thing is a nice, easy goal. They've basically given that up already.

Our attention span as a species is pretty short. The Roman republic only lasted ~500

They already spell it out pretty well.

Our existence as a species is pretty short

This got existential fast

Yeah, sorry

Mesopotamia was a minute though

😂

I don't want one. 😂

+1

I don't get how newer players even care. Recharger and Illuminator

Done

In my day...

We had to rotary deploy resonators and drive around the block for xm

Sojourner. So simple. Entirely in the agent's control.

👵🏽

I anti-care. I'm a horrible example of the ingress population, since I was raised by Pongo and Ollie. I would in fact be genuinely upset to get onyx Guardian

I grew up as a player assuming the game would sunset before I hit 16. The last two years have been an extended bonus round.

Unless you're me and forget to play every day lol

Remember Endgame?

Lol

I have a cursed Sojourner

yeah yeah. Ok, Oprah style isn't really on the menu realistically anyway

I finally got it after starting over a couple times

But there's a good argument in the IITC thing

Rules with examples

Applied consistently

That would be amazing

Or if they can't find the resources, (likely) wild west

How is this different than me saying enforcing?

It isn't

The thing is though, even if they give clear guidelines they still can't enforce them and we will be in the same place we are now with individuals using whatever tools they want.

ok.


- Guardian Hunting as we currently know it goes away forever
- Give us IITC so we can end all this apples to oranges bullshit

So give everyone the API and fuck it

I'm fine with "tell us the rules"

I'll most likely stop playing but that's fine

I was thinking if they tried to say no to iitc. If they say yes, then that works.

Still this. If we want to go that route, we need to know what we want

We need baby steps.

These aren't baby steps😂

Out of the elevator or into the elevator?

But if you were to fantasize, what would the rules be?

Guardian Hunting is easier than something nebulous like 'tell us the rules'. They're already tracking for it, and the riot stuff dovetails nicely.

Something enforceable and clearly articulated. If that's "anything goes" or "no spoofing" or "nothing other than UI changes"

'tell us the rules' is a compelling tag, but to explicate you have to describe the ways in which the current rules are bad, and then suggest ways in which they could be better. It becomes a snooze really fast.

Yeah, rules are pretty boring.

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I was thinking more along the lines of finding ways to encourage positive culture. Technically, it doesn't sound like they can stop anyone from using anything, but they can give us more power to mold the player base.

Laying framework for things that are functional is often boring

Oh shit, still on my clipboard paste.