Whistle Orga

The right answer is policy, not technical. "Don't reroll, we will ban you if we catch you."

Which prevents the sanctimonious "well reroll is OK" response.

yup

Ahh.

I'm somewhat oversimplifying here, but it's safe to say "no, banning by device ID is too hard."

Thank you

Circling back to Krug, it should be made clear that all the channels for data pulls were open - if you were in this slack it's because you knew what it was.

It's enough to cause embarrassment to some, bans for others, and no particular change for yet even more. We've given Andrew info, yes, but he NEEDS a way to validate it. People can keep ignoring this point all they want to, but it's still a factor. I thought the intent here was to effect change, not just to "out" that Res are using scrapers. If the only intent of this was to get the dev fired, the Vanguards let go, and some PoCs on the hot sheet, then we're not going to effect change in the overall game mechanics.

7k, 140k. Feels like acceleration

Just my $0.02.

There won't be a change in game mechanics unless thers is a consequence from Niantic.

I'm waiting to see what happens on Monday

It's going to be....interesting

Yes, we can't lose focus on longterm change

We can only hope. :)

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The NLE PoC chat has gone disturbingly silent

I don't think they understand their name is on a list because they actively participated in the slack - at least in signing up for an account knowing what it was.

Niantic's in a fairly awkward technical position too.

This is not an American court of law unless Niantic makes it one. They can absolutely demand any burden of proof they want, whether loose or strict, and they can even decide that anyone in the Brokers Guild Slack is guilty until proven innocent. Do I expect any of that? No. The point is, Niantic has a choice.

2.0 right around the corner. do you devote dev resources to fixing these problems and delay a really key reelase?

Probably not, especially if you believe that 2.0 has changes which will disrupt it.

The info is out there for Niantic to do something with. There are a lot of agents who are being very vocal now about how much this is Not Okay. Niantic should respond in SOME way. If they do (which they may not, because this is Niantic after all) then that's effecting change

But looking at how endemic cheating is to PhGo I'm not excited about it.

Do we have anything on this?

@Catw0man1 I got a comment from Rob on my re-share of @TheRealVedorian post :)

woah

uh, no I havent seen anything of the sort

Semi, if you don't, we probably don't.

The cleaningress email has a few thanks yous

nothing new

I almost but not quite said those words to him.

I think they will.

btw, you said you used a random password. Did you also turn on two-factor auth?

This is why I said that TreyWalker wasn't helping anything with those reckless comments of his

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The evidence would be fairly easy for NIA Ops to validate independently; I'm not even sure Krug is the best contact point anymore. This is quickly escalating beyond the community level.

Krug's in the crossfire, though. Even if anything he does is ineffective, he has to at least try

no, I didnt

I agree. They're not going to do anything without Krug's input, but this one is over his head.

Yes. Trey is being a fucking idiot.

Might be a good idea, precaution

It wasn't even backed up, it is a conspiracy theory.

Yes, can we stop devoting cycles to that thread?

So is or is not slackfarmer an employee? On Reddit they say he is not but Krug is interested in him specifically.

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He took it down or at least he told me he did

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sam = dotsamantha

lol I just posted this same question to one of our locals :)

A resource to get spoofers banned sure has a lot of banned spoofers in it

Yo dawg we heard you like banning spoofers so we put banned spoofers in your banning spoofers tool!

lol. A resource to get spoofers banned, where people also incidentally sit around and watch scraped data requests for guardians roll by all day every day. That defense is going to hold much water.

they posted a multipage thing to their members this morning

reminding everyone that they started the guardian hunting monster with good intentions

like catching spoofers

Did anyone ask Krug how the RES got a heads up this was coming out?

And what about the ENL scraping? I'm hearing a lot of that as well.

Yeah, the slope often starts here. C.f. shaperbeast.

I haven't had this one yet but, "We're not talking about that right now. We can talk about that after we talk about this."

[[Webpage]]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

People who want to talk about ENL scraping should send any evidence they have to [email protected] and then wait until we have finished talking about the thing that happened

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Lol

someone is poking at the wordpress account

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To take it down?

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Oh, lol.

the gmail account is 2FA

I assume you backed it up as well, yeah? Not to teach grandma how to suck eggs

now

and backed up

yes

Ooh...someone is upset...

[[Webpage]]Doing my best to catch all the G+ posts. Adding them to this sheet...


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16ZSMb-FLiJckeKcuPI21gJhf2DkoO822Il4_QjDavUs/edit?usp=drivesdk

My tech guy just offered us a private server if needed

@theprevaricator 👆

rgr

Lol

[[Webpage]]Mine was simple haha https://plus.google.com/u/0/117316184550144350611/posts/842bcmMAhhY

[[Webpage]]https://plus.google.com/+CateGoodfriend/posts/U8Z34tDQJTB

Got it. Added.

Why wait?

@theprevaricator we can probably say this too much, but we haven't gotten there yet lol. Great work!!!

Got it. Added.

Whataboutism.


We can absolutely discuss it, but not as a diversion from finishing discussing this one.

sorry, didn't read the whataboutism post

and, understood

[[Webpage]]https://plus.google.com/u/1/+ollietronic/posts/3NbWknbtTGk

I mean in reality we probably should have done both sides at same time to show it happens for both and not just pointing a finger. I see why it didn't happen that way and we shall see what happens from this "unveiling".

Get caps and build a website, I'll reshare the shit out of that too.

Same

We did this right

The only reason you don't see me resharing caps and website is because most folks know my stance on this and wisely avoid telling me shit about it.

But more than happy to burn that to the ground as well! :)

I left the untoward things. I wouldnt have been a good source anyways. Someone will eventually come forward

Have the ENL been called out w/ any proof before?

Got it, ollie!