Whistle Orga

Ah, I suspect that could be done by getting the IP of the instance whether it be RDS or EC2.

I can lol haven't said a word to anyone

I've reviewed the screenshots from the guardian searches and couldnt find any obvious hits as a result of the searches. Which isnt entirely surprising, but unfortunate for making our case.

This would be safe. But any extrapolations or analysis we make will have errors and they can call us on errors.

What can they really say if there's an error

It's just another dumb argument that will detract from the core message.

Thank you.

Yep, let it speak for itself

Best to keep it simple.

I do not think that we do. I think the evidence at hand is adequate. We simply indicate that the system purges data more than 48 hours old and show thr powerful examples available.


Still catching up.


We are getting way too deep in the weeds. This is a big, gnarly bomb. Put a bow on it and drop it.

Is the WB still responsive?

Because while portal captures could be manually entered, mod caps can't. A screenshot of VRLA channel would go a loong way to shutting any "is this really scraping" argument down.

I dunno, it didn't work when it happened in anomaly slacks

I had guardians hunted down by an agent in the list last Sunday. I would expect if there is a search history/trail, that might show up

So, I don't understand much, but are there people in those sub groups listed, like the area groups, that aren't on the member list we have now?

And can we get those lists, or no?

If WB joins all those channels people will see her join all those channels

I also had a guardian dropped Sunday afternoon

Yeah, that's what I thought

One of my community members is in the same spot, and it was demonstrably done by someone from outside the region. I have the names available for a search.

Even a preview of VRLA would be enough I'd hope.

Yes.


I am planning to provide 24 hours notice to Krug at around 1 pm. It will be very short and sweet with nothing evidentiary included.

It's also time to be real clear with WB about being listed or not listed.

damn, i was hoping a couple of hits by chicago players to portals of mine in florida would come up

It exists in the screenshot of the channel lists and has 93 members. Is that not enough for reasonable suspicion?

We have reasonable suspicions. I'm just trying to put nails in coffins now.

The public facing spreadsheet should not include AO or our notes.

Agreed.

Thank you.

We should probably advise WB and see if it gets back to that slack.

Only a list of names for each of the three major apps? Or just one big list?

I like one list

If we just had one exhaustive list we won't even need a spreadsheet. Could just be text

This thing right here

Did I miss site selection or who is working on the page?

Yes. I'm on team no map

Yes. She anticipates data completion today.

There's more?

Yes. With you. Will do.

Hey is RIOT an acronym?

Yes. I am STILL catching up :) give me a bit.

It feels like it must be

Resistance is on top?

Resistance insists on turnkey?

One hour warning on Krug notification. Derail that now if you feel that you should.

The site man, who is making the site.

Bingo. Seems to me they'll root him or her out sooner or later, but we shouldn't help them by making it obvious.

Resistance Intel Operator Toolkit?

I'm just spitballing but I bet it's something like that

Either you or me, I think, based on discussion so far.

Pretty good guess.

Resistance Intel, Over. Toast.

Lol.

Be advised in the AMA he said he was backlogged almost 500 messages. Unless you send something that gets his attention he might miss it. Even though I think it’s a bad idea, if you’re going to do it at least make it fair. :)

I'm pretty ok with him missing it.

Res Idiots Overreach Together

@Semiotiq, can we get the language of what's going to Krug as well as how it's getting to him? Email? Private G+ post? Chat medium of some sort?

Well, if he misses it, that's not our problem. The clock was ticking. Will have been ticking.

I will recruit some help to ensure that his attention gets got.

😆

I am not ignoring your objections. I feel your argument strongly. Ultimately though, I feel that one of the most valuable long term things we can do with this project is effect culture change, including within Niantic. That is easier if we show them basic regard.

I know you’re not. Decision is made, I’m not aruguing it - just be fair if you’re giving him notice.

Ok, dibs.

Are we gonna start a timer from 1pm to see how long it takes before a full intel lockdown? 😉

We also need to finalize a list of enl who will get advance notice.


Thinking anomaly POCs, lead ops, vanguards, and maybe handpicked regional POCs.

Multiple people with names he will recognize sending the same very simple message.


Not word for word..but like..




We recently received information documenting a large RES scraper network. Niantic employees, investors and Vanguards are identified. We will release it sometime after noon on Thursday the 19th. The team agreed that we should provide you a chance to prepare.

He's gonna flail in vanguard chat if he gets that.

Give him those 5-6 names.

Open to suggestions

👍

I think that if I give him names, WB access to ongoing data will be prematurely compromised.

Any way to reasonably anticipate how Krug and/or Niantic may react?

Yep

I think that will happen if you don't

A couple of minor edits:


"We recently received information documenting a large RES scraper network. Niantic employees, investors, Vanguards, and anomaly POCs are identified among those agents involved. We will release the information sometime after noon on Thursday the 19th. The team agreed that we should provide you a chance to prepare."

I would not give him names. He can ask the vanguards to self identify imo - but that blows it open.

How high is the chance that this all gets locked down within an hour of him receiving this notice? That's what I see happening.

It's the first thing hell do if you don't give him names

Oh I should probably add anomaly pocs to that laundry list too

#notice

I have a feeling KC POCs are on the list. I need to verify.

Do you have access to the documents?

I don't know Charlie, there's no scenario in my mind where Krug can do anything useful other with or without names. And anything he does blows it wide open.

Maybe this is a no win

Yes. I identified several KC res last night.

I just don't know who the anomaly POCs were

I think we are just telling him to clear his calendar

Agree,

I just assumed Resistance Intel Operative Tool.

Then err on the side if less info.

The win is showing him some regard.

So he can do less damage.

I personally wouldn't pre-release to ENL, btw

It creates the problem of "why wasn't I on the list"

If that’s the case then perhaps be less specific about The Who - state that it is several different types of people who are close to Niantic.

You know there are people who will want to have known

And good luck identifying all the anomaly POCs

"opsec"

Yeah. I only wanted to do this if we were going to go with simultaneous distributed g+ release

Ok, how about US.