Whistle Orga

That's pretty solid. At first glance (why the actual fuck does my phone predict "glans" instead of "glance?") I would tweak a couple of minor grammar things, but all the info is there and succinct

My only suggestion in the polish as I am currently nearly if not completely asleep.. is the language need a to be simple non geek if we want impact on the community at large, remember many non connected players my not understand scrapping and other terms contained therein, I know myself had I not become connected with a group I would not have a clue about POC and the implications. Short explanations should be included. Especially for location data or heat maps. Excuse my rambling but the backlash connection that kind of Data available if the same was extracted for Pogo the implications of kids safety goes far.

Hrm. Could we use "riot" in the website URL, like "riot act" or "run riot" etc?

Riot gun

maybe! it sounds like we're leaning toward using tinyurl instead of a FQDN though. This is probably a requirement for the timeline we're talking about, because registration and domain propagation takes time.

Riot.rocks

If I had any brain power left tonight I would love to take a crack at trying to add some of this into what @theprevaricator posted. I can give it a shot tomorrow if it's not finalized yet

Oops that's already taken

I think... do we want more of an intro than just "Riot is a database..." ?

A couple points that dont make sense for the website but should accompany the announcement post.


A) Yes, some enl probably do it too, but nothing on this scale.
B) No really, nothing remotely like this.
C) There will always be tools. If this thing collapses, something else will take its place.
D) Resistance needs to collectively grow the fuck up and knock this shit off.

It may be important to lead with WHY the scraping this is bad

Its a human problem, not a technology problem

#reminder

ok, im going to bed

Agreed the tech is not the issue it is how it is used.

And my brain died hours ago I'm done. Good night we shall see what t he morning brings,

I wonder if it would be .... something good words y and goodwill-like... to post screenshots of ~comparable ENL things if we're acknowledging that both sides do it

the proposed writeup is a good evolution of what I started. There's a problematic bullet point in there, and I worry that the 'spirit of the game' stuff is a little preachy, but I'm a robot and everyone knows that.

adding proposed language to pin

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Someone will find a better way to say it

By tomorrow

Realistically I won't get to it until late tomorrow morning, and I feel like that'll be too late

My thing was an evolution of Lena's thing. Your thing is an evolution of my thing. This is how we do.

guys

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this is 100% Juicy looking for two guardian seeds I planted when we went to see the eclipse in August

welp

there's your g+ post

yup

they're still live right now, but I'll keep an eye for if/when they go down

and his list didn't pull up my portals, becuase the whole area is full of old portals

On this point, Niantic already knows the Nashville PoCs have access to scrapers. They've been reported for their GH behavior by more than one of us. Hell, I had one admit to coming to kill my oldest portals. I said all that to say, that it needs to be more than just a few.


If this isn't as massive as anticipated, and we don't release this the right way, we're going to end up just looking like we're butt hurt over not getting guardians. To be honest, I don't really think Res orga will be disrupted, or even care, that this is released. I've seen too many BRRN agents *actually pull up scraped data* using their bot in ResVue.

any recommendations?

My personal opinion is to release it as soon as there's concrete evidence, and the whistle blower is willing to talk directly to Niantic with us. Niantic will need to know who they are.

That is the problem I ran into. Niantic needs to know where the data was contrived from and by whom.

That way, all we are doing is giving a non-biased, informative report of ToS violations

ok thanks

NOT an exposé of Res scraping.

Know what I mean?

I think I understand you.

It's a subtle difference, but it'll mean lots

I like this distinction.

I think it'll impact how the report is perceived.

Of course, there is the matter of the screenshots being comprehensive and damning, and there being no chance in hell that WB is going to talk to Niantic about it.

but we'll make do with whatever presents

We don't want to make martyrs out of them

WB could be guaranteed anonymity within Niantic.

I'm guessing

I could introduce that into the conversation with Krug tomorrow

Niantic has already proven, repeatedly, that they can make arbitrary decisions without revealing why.

So maybe, they'd keep *how* they know under wraps

I think it's an unreasonably high bar. The screenshots don't leave anything at all to the imagination.

but sure, I can try

won't hurt

Krug is a good litmus test for this. Yes, he's Enl, but he's also a fair and impartial jury. He'll shoot straight with you on what can and can't be done

if I'm WB, my response is going to be 'Um, there are Niantic employees on this list, but I'm supposed to think I'll be anonymous? Yeah....'

not to mention the RES vanguard

Is there Niantic staff on that list?

yeah.

see backlog

Got it

Sorry, with time difference I keep getting stuck in back log land

Yes, and it's a very noisy backlog

But it's the price of admission :)

Back log of this chat, or the other?

Everything has been here for about the last .... 13 hours

Rgr

Let me get coffee.

you're going to need it.

Lol...I'm not sure where to start. Did you hashtag a place like last time?

If not, I'll just run through the 1k+

It's been a long day.

the pin has the highlights, probably

but you're not going to have a real understanding without doing the reading.

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I just finishing peeking through the media. Not for coffee and then back scroll.

Can anyone in here? 😳😳

You'd be amazed at how long a group of people can hide a murder. I would imagine this would be something similar. "Partners in crime, so to speak".

Again, I caution against our approaching this as "Look! Here's proof they guardian hunt!"


We know they do, what's important to demonstrate in the post is HOW they are doing it. There is nothing in the ToS that says you can't hunt. There IS something there that says you can't scrape data. THAT is how we should approach this.


I would suggest keeping the two crusades separate. It'll have greater impact with the larger community. Just my $0.02 on that part.

I'm with you on this as well. I'm still highly suspicious of the WB's motives. It seems they have a lot to lose, and very little to gain, with being exposed. So why now? Why us?

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Protease dissolves the tissue, but it readily grows back. Anything that's highly acidic will do this. Pineapple is just one of the more acidic ones.

lol you've got a LONG way to go :)

bedtime for moi. goodnight, monsters. Nice work today.

I'm noticing. I'm commenting on some things just to keep a place marker

Lots not even get into what my "heat map" might look like....lol.

I saw that too.

He's Enl.

Agent1484, dukenukem785 (Nashville PoC), Hamtary (NLE PoC of Lyon meet up), Ethan isn't in there, thank God. It would've made the rest of this trip extremely awkward. 😐


Jab8288, Jinxs, loveyoume, nxorable, .....I know MANY of these names

I'm disappointed to see Zorig in there. :(

And some of the others....😢

Are we the ones putting in the notes? Or are those coming from the WB?

I'm still up, it turns out.
Notes are us.

Got it. I'll add in on those.

the comments are a fun read

I'm going to get to have the most wonderfully awkward conversation in my Guardian 2.0 group in a few days.

Question

Can we prove some of the notes?

I'm going to add another column called 'notes notes'