Whistle Orga

I am not saying these are reasons not to release, just potential reactions.

I agree, it needs to be out there. It's utter bullshit and needs to be stopped. Just hoping Niantic doesn't take the cheapest, crappiest approach and punish everyone. Contemplating what would counter such a move on their part.

I expect them to just deny, deny, deny, and things will go on pretty much unchanged.

Ugh.

Rank and file RES won't quit ingress it will continue with an altered social dynamic

I want to talk and think about this more.

If we talk to him, we don't give him much.

If we pushed Niantic to do something as hard as we did about remote recharge, they might bork the entire system for everyone.

You could give him, scraper thing exists, we have all the data, there are niantic employees and vanguards implicated.

although, if you give him too little he will make more noise

Name names.

you have to give him enough to go to those people

It's not like Krug can leak this, he works for Niantic.

and not ask around about it

Damn. I'm still shocked when reading that.

He needs to handle the internal stuff, and it's going to be hard for them.

I'd like to give Niantic as much room as possible to do the right thing.

I'm only shocked that it leaked

If I thought this would hold 48 hours I'd say give him 48 hours.

But it won't.

So we give him the NIA employees, anomaly POCs and Vanguard

and the gist

hm

are we on accelerated timeline or still releasing in 10 days?

Give enough to prove we have good data and more of it, that can force krug into an ally position

What makes us think we only have 48 hours again?

I think we're on as soon as both WB is ready and we're ready.

I'm a pessimist and there are 40 people in this chat. I trust all of you, but it's the mistakes that blow op sec.

50 people can't keep a secret

no one is any good at opsec.

The people who worked on these tools have every reason to keep opsec, he slipped once, and I know exactly who he is.

We are the reason we can't have nice things.

I trust this room more than any other.

This is a powder keg

its too big

so, we're on the clock.

48 is arbitrary, could last longer, but you know.

My fault, maybe. I'm ok with it.

is it all you want to think and talk about? then its all someone else wants to think and talk about and they will want to clue their special ingress person into it so they are in the know for when it hits. That special ingress person will tell someone

Trust me, I really want to tell people I'm close to, but I just wouldn't do that because of the faith I have in you all.

etc etc

Is WB OK with accelerated timeline? Not saying they get a veto, but they should know when to go to an interior room away from windows.

At the end of the day the data in that folder right now is explosive and significant; worrying about release strategies is just optimizing.

that conversation happens Soon.

True true. I guess I trusted this room to zip it like me.

Thank you.

yes. It's just the next thing.

Yep.

so who is making this website?

we have 48 hours?

It took a whistle blower how long before evidence can out, we can keep this for more than a few hours of we keep emotion even excite me t out of it

website needs to be gtg tomorrow night

well I did invite a website developer

But we can't count on it for long

whats that you say? square space you say?

I've done it, but I'm not proficient enough to bang it out quickly enough to still take care of all my other responsibilities.

Advantages of website:


- fun FQDN
- easy persistence
- easy to consume if well designed


Disadvantages:


- pain in the ass to set up and develop

I can't bang it out tonight or tomorrow. I can bang it out Thursday.

Goodnight everyone. Will catch up tomorrow.

Rapid development = we put one person in charge of each major job and then trust them to do it and don't second guess them.

Why not just make it an anonymous g+ page with one post containing the info? Easy enough, and lends itself well to sharing

roles for website:


- framework implementation
- information architecture
- writing words

Rather than making a website

True, a G+ would be super fast.

I don't like anonymous g+ because it opens a new avenue for attack

but I cant embedd a chart in a G+

other than linking to a public document

...and everyone could tag offending agents

Websites are mediagenic but otherwise not worth getting hung up on.

website doesn't feel as vulnerable to that

website has persistence

Ok, understood

need to refer back to that time that RES got pantsed over institutional cheating? "cheating.willbe.blue"

You can short url anything

Smurfs.willbe.blue?

I'm just goofing with the name. could be anything catching. I think willbe.blue is already claimed.

Smurf tears, idk

[[Webpage]]See tinyurl.com/MimosaSmiles

ok good point

Yeah, RES owns that one

we could tinyurl the g+ post

If we think we'll have opportunities to expose other things in the future, something like whistleblownsmurfs.com

Ah, that makes sense

or the reddit. but the reddit is going to be open to comment, and I don't want to drive traffic to that

this should stand on its own, I think.

and it has to be dead simple. A little exposition, a spreadsheet, a lot of corroborating images.

some corroborating stories, if we can get them

Yeah, people need to absorb it at a glance, then check the list.

How about I do it on a throw away squarespace account, URL would be smartsmurfthing.square-space.com and then you do a tiny url to it?

Is basically free.

and mobile responsive design

that's relevant

im sure its hacky to a professional, but he is busy

That would work

If it gets significant traffic, won't Squarespace demand payment?

I don't know squarespace, I guess is my reservation.

It would have to be pretty significant

and I can cover that

Their plans are ongoing monthly and yearly, though, right? You don't want to pay to keep this thing up forever.

fair enough. Id run it a few months and shut it down