Whistle Orga

It wont be "youre wrong" it will be "you do it too"

it always is

This has been my assumption. For a general social chat, this group regularly tests in the upper percentiles for the category of "getting stuff done"

ok, let's focus on the immediate for a bit. By my notes, we're asking for three things:


1) As many in-situ screenshots as the whistle can possibly grab, showing agents requesting and receiving scraped data requests.


2) API key


3) member list of the slack

They beat that drum on Sarah's post.

Definitely member list.

the documentation process for everything other than API key will be onerous

That's fine. "Probably so, and if we find evidence of that we'll expose it too. Next question?"

so offer to just dump the data somewhere and we'll sort it out

Bring me proof, I'll happily post it too, would be my response.

ok. I'm going to go ahead and lead with the API key. It's a long shot anyway

just saying, in the post it has be front and center that we arent being hypocrites.

That's a loser drum to beat

Yep

Erich, can you cobble together a dead simple step by step on how to pull the API key if it's available?

Ok. A little off tangent so I can understand a little better. How can I get the API key if I ever needed to?

Yes.

Haha.

Lol

ok thanks. DM it to me and I'll proceed.

If it's not locked down in a Slack, any user can get it.

You can't assume it's locked down

Member list of that channel. Keep in mind that "regular" players may be insulated from this. Keep your witch hunt specific. XD

yes, good.

Immediately checks njfrogs slack

[[Webpage]]1. log into slack in the browser.
2. go to https://api.slack.com/custom-integrations/legacy-tokens
3. Look for a button associated to that slack that says Create Token
DO NOT CLICK if it says Request Token
4. copy/paste it here.

lol checking Aurora slack

ok, request submitted to whistle.


I'm gonna grab a quick shower, bbs

THIS BETTER BE THE QUICKEST FUCKING SHOWER SEMI

Lol

😂

welp, looks like a token can be made

Hahaha

BUT AURORA

Lol jk

All your OPs are belong to us!

Most of my slacks are the same..

Lot of dirty laundry in Aurora?

No more than any other SouthEast Fielding group with 100+ members

Nah just funny cause honestly njfrogs api token was open too

Ok, this is quite amazing. Waiting for new developments. In agreement with steps outlined so far.

All the anomaly slack secure? :p

Busy day at work, but I can't wait to catch up with this backlog....

It would be better if we could also implicate ENL suspects as well, to avoid the NO U arguments of which RES are so fond

same thought.

and also maybe...maybe build XFAC support prior to release.

That would put the whistleblower at risk

Not if we could make sure to get support from completely uninvolved RES

So think about how this would look and feel though

That's the risk. They would know the context and could guess the source

The real-world reprocussions of leaking an enl chat like this. Again, I don't know of one, but if I did.

I would tell everyone if I had proof

It would be a bloodbath all around.

Michelle had proof, but she deletes her TG every month

I personally am not connected enough to know about the ENL version of this, so there must be RES who would not know the context of this slack and not be able to identify the source

We know it happens on our side.


Two years ago Quarkgent gave me a tour of a web-based tool with a very slick GUI

And if you leaked it, even to coincide with a res take down, you'd never be forgiven.

I don't care

Yes, I think I could live with that. OG people mostly hate me already anyway.

I was a baby at the time and didn't really know what I was looking at.

PS the tiny whistle looks like an inflated condom

So my point is that if this thing got big enough, all you'd do is prove to everyone that cheating was noIrmalized.

it's a steam whistle!

Now that you've said that, that's all I can see

Thanks

Yw

Yes. It would be a useful thing to do.

Agreed

It would be hilarious

So your plan would be to show Niantic that cheating is so ingrained in both factions that the only option is to change the guardian badge?

Or formally define what is and isn't allowed

It would be a useful datapoint in ongoing conversations on topics like, say 'hey, stop making game dynamics that are hypervulnerable to this well-documented instituational cheating problem you have'

Which they steadfastly avoid doing

They need to admit that the metaphorical emperor is naked

Balls out

We can achieve three things here:


1) We can disrupt a bunch of influential RES on an individual basis. They'll either have to own it or deny it, and both will be sort of fun to watch.


2) We can change the gamewide conversation on issues that involve scraping. Like the individual bad actors, Niantic will either have to own it or ignore it, and both would be amusing to watch.


3) We can disrupt RES nationally for a brief period, and since we control the timing we can use that strategically.

I love the idea of strategic timing, and taking measured steps. But I'd argue that, if the 900 members number is an accurate figure, our timeline of exclusive access might be short. That seems like an awful lot of people to keep something this toxic quiet for very long.

If you leaked just what you know about the res, yes.


When you start talking about enl also, the calculus changes dramatically

Depending on who's a member in there, it's going to be ugly when the shit hits the fan

This is undoubtedly old, as is ours

Yeah, I don't think it was formed over night

I am thinking about this too

But if it's been going on that long and this is the first time there's a leak? Again, I get suspicious.

I'm not involved in ours, that I know of, so I have no idea of the scope/scale. Are there really potentially that many people subscribed/involved on our side? It just seems like such a huge number to me.

Yes, that seems valid. Once we get data, we'll have to think about how long we can hold it.

The amount of work to fake what we've seen to date is Titanic.

Yes, although I know nothing about it

It's not, really. This is very likely the same codebase as was exposed in PNW in April. Russell.

Fair enough.

I can imagine a res "double your efforts troops! response in Chicago, in addition to a balls out attempt to find any and all dirt on whatever our side is doing

Just on a larger platform. The PNW evidence was from a localized hangout. What we're hearing about sounds global.

It's honestly possible that both factions are pulling data from the same, suspiciously accurate DB

I think it's likely that both the bot and the database are not local.

This would be ironic