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Whistle Orga

40 members
2017-10-18
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Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA)
The packet must include mods on the portal, obviously.
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Charlie Arnold
it's a grep, nothing to it
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Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA)
Well, not obviously, but it's the right decision
To be clearer β€” there is nothing in these docs I wouldn't release. I just won't connect dots.
I'm infuriated at Niantic for being such a bad custodian of their community.
They will never understand that they own this, but they do.
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Pongolyn | Seattle, WA
Pretty much.
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Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA)
I'm infuriated at the Res I just found on radar who lied to my face after the Russell explosion.
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Cate [Intoku, WA, πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ]
Yes, and yes
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Pongolyn | Seattle, WA
Pretty much.
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Arctic Rebel - West TN
That's where I am different from many of y'all. My Res own it. Or at least deny it with a wink.
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Charlie Arnold
It's interesting though, in a way. Niantic's failure to be a good game company, and the extent to which it is a sandbox and the playerbase has willingly promulgated player ownership.... there's an opportunity there.
I'm trying to figure out if we can force Krug to be an ally
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
ok, im done messing with it
Master is master, enter your data there
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Pongolyn | Seattle, WA
Kind of makes you wonder why RES is still losing series after series.
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
now it just looked up the other sheets
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CQ πŸ›πŸ‘‘ Sarah
Because tools don't win anomalies
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Charlie Arnold
thank you thank you
really good work
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Pongolyn | Seattle, WA
You think?
CQ
CQ πŸ›πŸ‘‘ Sarah
Interpret my use of the word "tools" however you like 🀣
PO
Pongolyn | Seattle, WA
πŸ˜‚
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StealthRanger [St. Louis, MO, USA]
This will be excellent ammunition to shut down their comm trolling. "Remember when we all saw you using Riot/Radar/#bots?"
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S Falcone [OneEyedCat - PA, USA]
Lovely spreadsheeting. πŸ’š
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Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA)
Thanks, Erich!
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
I was a mite bit rusty
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Charlie Arnold
yeah, that was some quality action swarm work between you and aneristic and the team at large there
How important is it to identify the people who are not yet tagged? I think it might be pretty important
those could be international POCs and community leaders for all we know
erwin.van.rijsewijk
wait, this guy
[[Webpage]]plus.google.com/+WaltervanRijswijk
ok, spelling mismatch
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StealthRanger [St. Louis, MO, USA]
Maybe that is a way to release the information. Ask for crowdsource help identifying the a/o of these agents identified cheating.
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Charlie Arnold
probably not the same guy
oh that would be hilarious :)
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StealthRanger [St. Louis, MO, USA]
That would certainly engage readers if they are asked to participate.
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
I dont think we need to encourage people to read the whole list
they're gonna do the same thing we did
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Charlie Arnold
it would just be a really funny way to release the information
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StealthRanger [St. Louis, MO, USA]
There will be agents like me who don't recognize all the local names. Asking the swarm to fill in the a/o will let everyone in the area know who to shame.
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Charlie Arnold
so far, I'm still liking a carefully formatted, easily consumable information package published on a one-page website coupled with an anonymous Reddit initial release, followed by staged g+ releases
but I'm listening for better ideas
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StealthRanger [St. Louis, MO, USA]
Ask for input on the website, and then update the list daily with the new information to keep people checking back?
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Charlie Arnold
website needs to be completely non-interactive. It's just informational
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Jemstar (15/~PIT πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ)
It's been mentioned that we get a trolly domain name. Won't they be able to do a lookup and see who registered it?
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Chris (@vedorian central NJ, USA) Damoci
Question RE: Wolfyone and whoever put her AO in there as Central Jersey. She's definitely from Newtown PA. Should I update that?
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Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA)
Nah, registering anonymously is trivial.
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CQ πŸ›πŸ‘‘ Sarah
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Charlie Arnold
feedback on blanks will be crowdsourced across reddit and the g+ posts. People reporting back. Website will periodically update.
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Jemstar (15/~PIT πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ)
Hm ok. It's been a long time since I had a domain name
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Chris (@vedorian central NJ, USA) Damoci
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Charlie Arnold
general rule yes: if you're sure you're right about something, lock it down. If you're not perfectly sure, ask.
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StealthRanger [St. Louis, MO, USA]
It would be stellar to be able to tag the offending agents in the G+ posts.
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Jemstar (15/~PIT πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ)
Sock puppet g+ account?
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
it annoys me that the barcodes will get away with it
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StealthRanger [St. Louis, MO, USA]
Mmmm... Grrr... Yeah
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CQ πŸ›πŸ‘‘ Sarah
Tag them in comms?
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Charlie Arnold
we are going to have to do some value-added content. Minimal, but enough to explain the real implications of Omnivore and Radar
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
theres a bunch of nonmachine identifiable duplicates.
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StealthRanger [St. Louis, MO, USA]
Yeah, definitely explain to everyone what these tools do.
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
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Charlie Arnold
I would really rather see us all push this. I have heard the concerns about artificial concert and phased release, but...


Anonymous g+ release feels cowardly and easily attacked. Single-user release feels like putting someone on the cross.
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
[[Photo]]
Actual person or joke
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Charlie Arnold
actual person
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
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Charlie Arnold
classic question :)
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StealthRanger [St. Louis, MO, USA]
Enlightened agents, remember when you felt like your actions were able to be tracked, but you knew there was no way to do that based on comms data? Well...
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Charlie Arnold
it has to be completely absent of vitriol
Everyone else is going to do the work of being angry for us.
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Jemstar (15/~PIT πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ)
I could probably write something sufficiently detached
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StealthRanger [St. Louis, MO, USA]
I think sometimes I lack the ability to have an extreme emotional response to things. I'm good at winding other people up, but I don't necessarily feel things to the extent they do.
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
blueblitzkreig/blueblitzkrieg
cigtide/clgtide
coximus/coxmius
dramaticlemur/dramaticmur
euruproktos/euruprotokos
nachometalista/nachometelista
timmaaay/timmaay
valkryria/valkyria
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StealthRanger [St. Louis, MO, USA]
This is outrageous, and aggravating, but beyond giving an offending agent a sideways look and a tsk tsk while shaking my head and telling them they really messed up, I wouldn't be shaking with anger or anything.


I guess if people had lied to my face like with some of you I would feel stronger.
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
I can fix them but I need to know which is correct
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Jemstar (15/~PIT πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ)
Timmaaay with 3 As
Dramaticlemur
Euruproktos
Nachometalista
Valkryria
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
so I propose that we:


Quickly build the website really nicely and clearly showing what this thing is, who was in it, and what they did. Try to gather cases of actual kills.


Once its a button push away from rolling out, we bring in a group of ENL who can review the list early and tell us who some of these RES are.


If anything leaks in that stage, you roll out with what you have.


After 24 hours for review, it goes public with a G+/Reddit post. Who posts and whether it should be anonymous subject to a poll here.
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Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA)
I still think you need to give Krug a 24 hour.
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Jemstar (15/~PIT πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ)
Blueblitzkreig
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Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA)
This shit storm hits Niantic.
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
so krug comes in at the same time as other connected ENL
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Jemstar (15/~PIT πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ)
Coximus
And looks like clgtide (p57 of the bot list)
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Elliot (@SKSM5966 - Central PA)
Quick thought before I hit the sack: are we planning two or three steps ahead? For instance, what if the lid is blown off and Niantic's response is to lock down intel? Make it nearly impossible to use any tools?
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
I dont know that is a response I expect from them. I guess its possible
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StealthRanger [St. Louis, MO, USA]
I was thinking this earlier today and got sidetracked. Ultimately, I think getting this information out is more important.
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
the entire thing is game breaking.
potentially
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Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA)
Fine by me.
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Chris (@vedorian central NJ, USA) Damoci
We will still find a way to make triangles.
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Charlie Arnold
if you want to start working on it, go for it. We're probably 48 hours out from a relese, but being ahead of the curve on prep is much to be desired.
sorry, phone rang. catching up
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
what if niantic finds a way to stop it, but the Resistance in the US decide to give up en masse since they suck at anomalies and now they lose this
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Pongolyn | Seattle, WA
Then we have to adjust our game so they will show up again
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Charlie Arnold
Coximus is the only one I can ID