2017-10-17
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matt - deaf1 - maine
Does he farm this shit
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ollie (@ollietronic)
Disclose. It's what responsible adults do.
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ollie (@ollietronic)
Appropriate response I'd love to see Niantic adopt
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Strandit (Seattle, WA, USA)
Yeah.
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Pongolyn | Seattle, WA
They might not be able to withstand the player backlash if they don't.
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Jemstar (15/~PIT πΊπΈ)
Do we want a #radar tab in the sheet?
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Aneristic (PHL)
Note: Remember that Krug helped build ENL.io
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matt - deaf1 - maine
I worked 11 hours today, and thats on top of 12 yesterday, and am working tomorrow morning. AND IM FULL OF ENERGY
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Cate [Intoku, WA, πΊπΈ]
Yes. We need to be able to clearly define scraping and explain why it's cheating
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Pongolyn | Seattle, WA
And does not widely publicize that since his hire
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matt - deaf1 - maine
the res are well aware and will bring it up
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Charlie Arnold
An AMA on whether scraping is cheating would be nice.
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CQ ππ Sarah
Ugh
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Cate [Intoku, WA, πΊπΈ]
Probably
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Charlie Arnold
good lord
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Pongolyn | Seattle, WA
Mod scans yay
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Charlie Arnold
we have things like this. Cactus, poptart
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matt - deaf1 - maine
They do scan for mods. Vidicon has told me my modding counts for the month
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Aneristic (PHL)
whatever shaperbeast uses
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CQ ππ Sarah
Yep they will come up
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Charlie Arnold
blue team is just a lot better at distributing them
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Aneristic (PHL)
ha, did you ask?
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
no
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Charlie Arnold
I dunno. I bailed out of both of those things pretty early on.
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
just assumed
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Cate [Intoku, WA, πΊπΈ]
The existence of cheating tools is not a factional issue
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Charlie Arnold
I just realized today that I was still in the poptart slack. thank god it's dormant
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Pongolyn | Seattle, WA
we don't use these tools where I play.
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ollie (@ollietronic)
"we" is a pretty sketchy term. I've turned down access to both.
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
agreed, its the use
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Cate [Intoku, WA, πΊπΈ]
The extent of use varies by faction by region
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Charlie Arnold
I mean we, factionally. Cactus is the latest and greatest offender. It's EU developed. It got put through the wringer recently and is now probably underground. For a while, it was on the way to becoming as normalized and distributed as this RIOT garbo
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
I have access to both but dont use. I can confirm whether anyone is doing a global VRLA scan.
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Jemstar (15/~PIT πΊπΈ)
Ugh, wow, poptart. Quarkgent was all about that
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
Yea, when I first found out about poptart I was ready to flipout.
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CQ ππ Sarah
Some "helpful" operator from another country introduced some of my locals to Cactus π
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Aneristic (PHL)
Poptart does something more than just notify you when fields go up, I take it?
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
Its scraper based notification
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Charlie Arnold
Let's try to stay on target here. The scope of this information is broad and unexpected. We have some refactoring to do on goals.
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matt - deaf1 - maine
@Aneristic is ageek a PA or DC agent
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Charlie Arnold
Our job here is not to watch the world burn, or get people fired. We know nobody is going to get banned, and we know the malfeasance isn't going to stop.
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Pongolyn | Seattle, WA
Shit, man, we just talk to each other in the PNW for the most part.
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Aneristic (PHL)
I don't recognize the name but it's a big state
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
I'd consider it for those two.
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matt - deaf1 - maine
ive seen it all aover
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Charlie Arnold
We simply need to reconsider what we want to achieve, based on the information at hand, then come up with a plan for release that dovetails with those goals.
OK?
OK?
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ollie (@ollietronic)
So what do you perceive as our job?
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
but they also take pains to make GH difficult or impossible.
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Arctic Rebel - West TN
I lost focus. East TN Res. Had dealings with me and Iknownothing
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ollie (@ollietronic)
Burn everything.
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
you can use a scraper to painstakingly analyze the mu of fields, you can use it to tell you who threw a link, you can use it to automate responses to other teams actions, or you can use it to guardian hunt. I dont see them all as the same degree of evil because NIA said so
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Aneristic (PHL)
but it's a hard argument to ... let's not have that argument here please.
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
ok.
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Charlie Arnold
My goals are roughly the same as they were initially:
1) Marginalize some RES bad actors
2) Disrupt RES orga on a short term basis
3) Effect a big nudge on culture change
1) Marginalize some RES bad actors
2) Disrupt RES orga on a short term basis
3) Effect a big nudge on culture change
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Pongolyn | Seattle, WA
One might have to think about it very carefully in private, if don't want to have it in public.
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ollie (@ollietronic)
I'm a big fan of "light everything on fire, let the institution sort it out"
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
We
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Pongolyn | Seattle, WA
So what is the issue we're currently trying to solve?
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Michael Noda [GreatNorthern, PHL πΊπΈ]
πππππ
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ollie (@ollietronic)
You're a wonderful representative of protecting the status quo? Is that how we're doing assigning folks to boxes? ;)
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
I think we need more cases of them using it
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Jemstar (15/~PIT πΊπΈ)
It feels to me like being on the Omnivore list is more damning than simply being in the #bot slack. Is that way off base?
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
agreed. omnivore opens the door to any RES using it.
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Charlie Arnold
WB is going to keep documenting as new entries pop up. There are about a dozen requests (ballparking, didn't count) in the dataset now, which is only over the last 48 hours. Presumably we'll get roughly that same volume again.
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Jemstar (15/~PIT πΊπΈ)
Right.
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Erich Bacher (@thePrevaricator WI, US)
I represent that position. Not that you should necessarily defend res in my position.
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Jemstar (15/~PIT πΊπΈ)
I see the Omnivore thing as much more of a ringleader/candyman thing
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Melissa Bailey (PeanutsMom)
I recently visited a known hunter while she was in the hospital and although she never said a name of this thing..... she described a situation where some of here teammates were upset that she had more access than she did. I wonder if this is what she was referring to.... is thatsnomoon on the list??? Iβve requested access but Charlieβs busy and hasnβt granted it yet
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ollie (@ollietronic)
I'd burn you for not saying a thing previously